Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 23:25:23 -0600
From: Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org>
To: Mark Friedenbach <mark@monetize.io>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] On OP_RETURN in upcoming 0.9 release
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To each his own, but if I say "Please don't charge me for YOUR privacy
by putting junk like stealth addresses in the blockchain", I think I'd
get laughed out of most rooms.

Either the transaction fees are sufficient to pay the cost for whatever
random junk anyone wants to put there, or they are not, and if they are
not, then I suggest you re-think the fee structure rather than trying
to pre-regulate me putting 80 character pithy quotes in the blockhain.


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 09:23:12AM -0800, Mark Friedenbach wrote:
> Given our standardization on 128-bit security / 256-bit primitives, I
> can't think of any crypto related data payload which requires more than
> 40 bytes. Even DER encoded compressed public keys will fit in there. A
> signature won't fit, but why would you need one in there?
> 
> There's no need to design for 64-byte hashes, and the 80-char line
> length comparison is a good point. As an Engineer I'd want to have a
> little more room as a 32-byte hash or EC point + 8 bytes identifying
> prefix data is the bare minimum, but it is also very important that we
> send a message: This is for payment related applications like stealth
> addresses only. Don't burden everybody by putting your junk on the block
> chain.
> 
> On 02/24/2014 08:39 AM, Wladimir wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com
> > <mailto:jgarzik@bitpay.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >     A common IRC proposal seems to lean towards reducing that from 80.
> >     I'll leave it to the crowd to argue about size from there. I do think
> >     regular transactions should have the ability to include some metadata.
> > 
> > 
> > I'd be in favor of bringing it down to 40 for 0.9.
> > 
> > That'd be enough for <8 byte header/identifier><32 byte hash>.
> > 
> > 80, as the standard line length, is almost asking for "insert your
> > graffiti message here". I also see no need for 64 bytes hashes such as
> > SHA512 in the context of bitcoin, as that only offers 256-bit security
> > (at most) in the first place.
> > 
> > And if this is not abused, these kind of transactions become popular,
> > and more space is really needed, the limit can always be increased in a
> > future version.
> > 
> > Wladimir
> > 
> > 
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