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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] A BIP for partially-signed/not-signed raw
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Hey Thomas,

Just to clear the air, I am not OutCast3k, but I have submitted various PRs
to coinb.in under multiple handle names, and also Copay and Electrum. (You
could say I have multisig in my blood if you want to be cheesy)

I think I'm going to go ahead and draft up a BIP and submit it here just to
get the ball rolling.

Any ideas or input can be sent to me directly via email. I'll also start a
Telegram group chat https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAAutbBADJuHRD7YvHw in case
anyone wants to join in on the discussion.

Thanks,
Jon

2017-01-10 18:18 GMT+09:00 Thomas Kerin <me@thomaskerin.io>:

> Hey,
>
> Firstly, your project coinb.in is really cool, I've used it a bit back in
> the day :-)
>
> It makes sense why you're looking for this proposal. I'm pretty sure on
> top of a serialisation of an unsigned tx with the scriptpubkey (it is to
> deliver signing data to the wallet too?) then you'll also want a protocol
> to request signatures.
>
> I worked on this problem before, when I was using your site and a tool of
> mine to carry out transactions. I would up writing a BIP that's basically
> the same (in message contents, not format) as Jonas's hardware signing BI=
P.
>
> I think he also realised that it's not just for hardware wallets, it's
> also perfect for a BitGo wallet to use to talk to a GreenAddress wallet. =
It
> seems to cover the web case nicely.
>
> (My app was one where users could supply an xpub for multisigs to the
> server, get txs, and do signing offline or in the browser)
>
> Maybe have a look over it and see if it starts to capture some of the
> things you would want!
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>
>
>
> On 9 January 2017 10:36:49 CET, "=E6=9C=A8=E3=83=8E=E4=B8=8B=E3=81=98=E3=
=82=87=E3=81=AA via bitcoin-dev" <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> I have been seeing issues like the following many times on all the
>> different projects that support multisig with users responsible for part=
ial
>> transaction transport.
>>
>> https://github.com/OutCast3k/coinbin/issues/73
>>
>> I would like to gather opinions before proposing a BIP, (like whether we
>> need one or not) so please let me know what you think.
>>
>> Basically, Electrum, Copay, Coinb.in, Bitcoin Core, etc. all have
>> different methodology for serializing partially signed multisig raw
>> transactions, as well as not-signed raw transactions regardless of
>> scriptPubkey.
>>
>> I think we should all be on the same page when serializing not-signed an=
d
>> partially signed transactions so that the person could look at the data
>> alone and know what is necessary and how to manipulate it to sign and
>> complete the transaction.
>>
>> - Jon
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hey Thomas,<div><br></div><div>Just to clear the air, I am=
 not OutCast3k, but I have submitted various PRs to <a href=3D"http://coinb=
.in">coinb.in</a> under multiple handle names, and also Copay and Electrum.=
 (You could say I have multisig in my blood if you want to be cheesy)</div>=
<div><br></div><div>I think I&#39;m going to go ahead and draft up a BIP an=
d submit it here just to get the ball rolling.</div><div><br></div><div>Any=
 ideas or input can be sent to me directly via email. I&#39;ll also start a=
 Telegram group chat=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAAutbBADJuHR=
D7YvHw">https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAAutbBADJuHRD7YvHw</a> in case anyone wan=
ts to join in on the discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div=
>Jon</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2=
017-01-10 18:18 GMT+09:00 Thomas Kerin <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:me@thomaskerin.io" target=3D"_blank">me@thomaskerin.io</a>&gt;</span>:<=
br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Hey,<br>
<br>
Firstly, your project <a href=3D"http://coinb.in" target=3D"_blank">coinb.i=
n</a> is really cool, I&#39;ve used it a bit back in the day :-)<br>
<br>
It makes sense why you&#39;re looking for this proposal. I&#39;m pretty sur=
e on top of a serialisation of an unsigned tx with the scriptpubkey (it is =
to deliver signing data to the wallet too?) then you&#39;ll also want a pro=
tocol to request signatures.<br>
<br>
I worked on this problem before, when I was using your site and a tool of m=
ine to carry out transactions. I would up writing a BIP that&#39;s basicall=
y the same (in message contents, not format) as Jonas&#39;s  hardware signi=
ng BIP.<br>
<br>
I think he also realised that it&#39;s not just for hardware wallets, it=
9;s also perfect for a BitGo wallet to use to talk to a GreenAddress wallet=
. It seems to cover the web case nicely.<br>
<br>
(My app was one where users could supply an xpub for multisigs to the serve=
r, get txs, and do signing offline or in the browser)<br>
<br>
Maybe have a look over it and see if it starts to capture some of the thing=
s you would want!<br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Thomas<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 January 2017 10:36:49 CET, &quot;=
=E6=9C=A8=E3=83=8E=E4=B8=8B=E3=81=98=E3=82=87=E3=81=AA via bitcoin-dev&quot=
; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" target=3D"_b=
lank">bitcoin-dev@lists.<wbr>linuxfoundation.org</a>&gt; wrote:<blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I have been seeing issues like the following many times on=
 all the different projects that support multisig with users responsible fo=
r partial transaction transport.<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://gith=
ub.com/OutCast3k/coinbin/issues/73" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/Ou=
tCast3k/<wbr>coinbin/issues/73</a></div><div><br></div><div>I would like to=
 gather opinions before proposing a BIP, (like whether we need one or not) =
so please let me know what you think.</div><div><br></div><div>Basically, E=
lectrum, Copay, Coinb.in, Bitcoin Core, etc. all have different methodology=
 for serializing partially signed multisig raw transactions, as well as not=
-signed raw transactions regardless of scriptPubkey.</div><div><div><br></d=
iv><div>I think we should all be on the same page when serializing not-sign=
ed and partially signed transactions so that the person could look at the d=
ata alone and know what is necessary and how to manipulate it to sign and c=
omplete the transaction.</div><div><br></div><div>- Jon</div><div><br></div=
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