Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [140.211.166.138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328C3C002D; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0F381B6D; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:39:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp1.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g4UdRucQXjdu; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:39:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DF7881B69; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com with SMTP id h27so14695512ybj.4; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 04:39:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5VsPxKnOg5kbRZAjDjtDgEB8mpKttIwIHloOm46Vnno=; b=pIKhFmdbXBh4/cBRXbNN9xbzo94hHc2k3LQI5ErQlT+y1qZLXWd/kOV3HobMT8smdT k5ViPgmO6NKbJ3WjSbnLHq9mPsKBAZhJRfcvnUYUoybcH+VoHhOIDLmiCjudmvW9Cu/d G5hJo86qseGZ9LFrXVoJwbKeb19nQ6Y2yfvTSm5+oBi/0Yh4L6GrGSoqUb6A01gcn8xF QMeut9OyXyQqIjSChvCIS0qxhbmwVYDqvJPGzBYzPOPvoCkzLqsKCwBRvTlITHu6I6Lu J9wNMmglaFlh3YJYsiCjbU6ulGNK2gH3V06iTG5WrrWzBGhuicvX+gjR5au8Y2gblW+8 Sn/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5VsPxKnOg5kbRZAjDjtDgEB8mpKttIwIHloOm46Vnno=; b=iIBJ6pR7E5yYnm5Q1EgQgnU/I79q+r7TinHF9vsnPk6oGqh0D6a+ZigcHWDocTd3HU Zox3LOJrm6NZFZqFElNzCGO2DpPgon1kFh8o3iWi/dso2VTCnG32xOPqF74CER8KsN66 +PmodpInsrQoaoDl5uI/zKNYrfPTl41ur148rZrqrQIwaDgFKKb1KHuvz1l7XVyA4Lhx Wxq0uIietM0BNlDdaswc7I3r32KFctGLN9qeCY7DRSkiPBbySE3vMyVqLpPhyWbiSRSO ZtN/PhyNyQlpzd+lbuwGcnSZiDk+FywJK6ywdMxgedizT9u9J//2Wav6iqYblQQY7D58 ahUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/U46zX9rLIjXZsILx2rqZTEgFAf7MpxtWc9rDt4MCQffnp49o4 slub8aeUXhqp3w2dX8F2NEzDScYYGqPzzq6x5KQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1sRJBbXqI8YYqkwYqmZ32BW6NEhO+zKZPawE8bodNzFuRH8+kqcLeBhvgcmDBr+vYB4Z+/Gzg9WvJ8wJR1fRMA= X-Received: by 2002:a25:7645:0:b0:664:70b9:b093 with SMTP id r66-20020a257645000000b0066470b9b093mr4389902ybc.480.1655206780493; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 04:39:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:7000:dd05:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 04:39:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many" Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:39:39 -0400 Message-ID: To: Peter Todd , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 12:10:31 +0000 Cc: lightning-dev , Jeremy Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Why OpenTimestamps does not "linearize" its transactions X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:39:42 -0000 hey various, it's been obvious since its inception that opentimestamps is designed to be broken. if you have energy to normalise a better system, or support one of the other better systems that already exists, that's wonderful. i suspect the opentimestamps ecosystem is very experienced at defending itself.