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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Scalability issues
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Hi Michael,

from what I have noticed, bitcoin blockchain download/verfication all
happens in 1 thread.  (so multicores doesnt really help)

That said, I have never tried on an ssd.

What I do have is 6 SATA 6gbs configed as RAID0 Drives.
32gb of ram. ubuntu 64 (yeah I know), this runs upto 16 VM's
(I have 4 of these)

However I have not tried to download the blockchain on the master os,
just in virtulisation.  However, the dedicated machines that I have been
using for benchmarking the VM's against is a q6600 8gb ram sata2 hdd -
Win 7 (seems faster than slackware...) to me it has always felt like
network bandwidth was the issue.  I might instrument the bitcoin-qt exe
to only pick low ping nodes (has someone already done this?)

I guess it is time to start some benchmarking (like the gpu comparison pa=
ge)

hte verification for the 5 past 5 days was negliglable. I am off on a
flight to australia tomorrrow, so I will set some breakpoints and do
some timings in a debugger.

This will all happen on an e-450 (wonderful machine!)

Thanks very much for your response. it would seem that I am 'doing it
wrong' :/

cheers mate,

steve

(this message isnt signed because I have forgotten my password.)

On 24/07/2012 09:25, Michael Gr=F8nager wrote:
> Hi Steve,
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> 45-90 minutes - note that its numbers from March/April, so a bit
> longer today, but far, far away from the 12 hours.
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> I am using libcoin and the bitcoind build based on this. Libcoin is
> based on the Satoshi client, but refactured to use an async
> concurrency model. I also did a minor tweeks to the db parameters. It
> has earlier been tested up against Satoshi bitcoin where on some
> OS'es it performs similarly (at least on some linuxes) and on some
> faster (e.g. mac).
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> What is your CPU load during a block download ? (both initially/up to
> the point where verification sets in and after). The initial download
> is typically disk I/O bound, the verification stage CPU bound, though
> I lean to believe that even there it is disk I/O bound (at least on
> my system ~50% CPU load). What should be better in libcoin is the
> concurrency model. The Satoshi client uses a pure reentrant mutexes
> model, that is not generally believed to motivate the best coding
> practice nor performance, you might end up without the concurrency
> you initially strived for *). As mentioned earlier libcoin uses a
> pure async concurrency model (and so does libbitcoin btw).
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> I would like to stress again that these numbers will depend largely
> on the system running the test - I would call my laptop a bit over
> the average today (MB Pro, 2.66Ghz i7 dual core, 8GBRAM, 512GB SSD).
> But again 12 hours - I only reach such numbers on some of my VPS'es
> (linode 1024) that are known for notoriously slow disk I/O. (here I
> have a few % CPU load during the verification indicating indeed that
> the disk i/o is the culprit).
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> Cheers,
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> Michael
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> *) I like this Dave Butenhof quote: "The biggest of all the big
> problems with recursive mutexes is that they encourage you to
> completely lose track of your locking scheme and scope. This is
> deadly. Evil. It's the "thread eater". You hold locks for the
> absolutely shortest possible time. Period. Always. If you're calling
> something with a lock held simply because you don't know it's held,
> or because you don't know whether the callee needs the mutex, then
> you're holding it too long. You're aiming a shotgun at your
> application and pulling the trigger. You presumably started using
> threads to get concurrency; but you've just PREVENTED concurrency."
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> On 23/07/2012, at 17:54, steve wrote:
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> Hi Michael,
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> On 23/07/2012 10:00, Michael Gr=F8nager wrote:
>>>> I get a full blockchain from scratch in 45 minutes on my
>>>> laptop, /M
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> Hang on a sec, in 45 minutes you can download the entire chain from=20
> the genesis block?
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> I have been doing extensive testing in this area and would love to=20
> know what is special about your setup (I have never had the entire=20
> chain in under 12 hours, infact it is normally closerto 24.) I have
> an extensive setup of test machines, everything from e4300 to
> phenom2x6 to i5's.
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> as an example on an amd e-450 with 4gb ram, and approx 3gb/s
> internet connection it took 2 hours to sync the last 5 days.
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> Maybe i am missing something important...
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> Any additional information that you could provide to help me with=20
> testing would be really appreciated.
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> cheers,
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> steve
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