Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95DE8DBE for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:35:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail148112.authsmtp.co.uk (outmail148112.authsmtp.co.uk [62.13.148.112]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3153150 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-c232.authsmtp.com (mail-c232.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.232]) by punt22.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id tBKGZWkE094377; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:35:32 GMT Received: from [25.189.133.80] ([24.114.38.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id tBKGZSWh066590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:35:31 GMT In-Reply-To: References: <50e629572d8de852eb789d50b34da308@xbt.hk> <1449961269.2210.5.camel@yahoo.com> <20151220112454.GB16187@muck> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: Peter Todd Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:35:24 +0000 To: Chris Pacia , Jeff Garzik Message-ID: <99D24C78-CAEE-4E48-A454-CA82B317D44B@petertodd.org> X-Server-Quench: b00abdd7-a737-11e5-829e-00151795d556 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdAIUHFAXAgsB AmMbWlJeU1h7WmE7 aQ5PbARZfElGQQdr UldMSlVNFUssc2d2 bH15Chl0cQBPeDB2 Y0JqECJbXBUoIRJ6 Xx9TFmobZGY1bX0X UkkNagNUcQZLeRZA PlV6Uj1vNG8XDSg5 AwQ0PjZ0MThBHWx7 RRsCIE5aTUERGzc6 W1g/IQUIBgUaRjkz KAE6YlUbGkgQKU47 LVonVhoSMgMZDQxY dwAA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1037:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 24.114.38.212/587 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Forget dormant UTXOs without confiscating bitcoin X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:35:35 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 20 December 2015 08:30:45 GMT-08:00, Chris Pacia wrote: >On Dec 20, 2015 6:34 AM, "Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev" < >bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> 2) This reverses the useful minimization attribute of HD wallets - >"just >backup the seed" > >It would be nice if the bip37 filter matching algorithm was extended to >serve up the proof. > >And if server-based wallets did the same it would preserve the "just >backup >the seed" functionality. Exactly! The information will be out there - "just backup the seed" requires someone to have the exact same data needed to generate the TXO-unspent proof that my proposal requires to spend an old txout. tl;dr: jgarzik is incorrect; theres no difference at all from the status quo. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQE9BAEBCgAnIBxQZXRlciBUb2RkIDxwZXRlQHBldGVydG9kZC5vcmc+BQJWdtjA AAoJEMCF8hzn9Lncz4MH/iwwa7xlbrJJiYqe7Hccr3Vm5D/qbv60eYi2btPDHFo9 mRnijzqFtt60e1AoFr9NwnCrAhhGmYkWsxLcA2oF+38H12DS9qsb9oT+pckJX34V v06+Uap89v9VTHcxVrOEQUCx+9xQO7WkpFw/OTZJA4nmFZ8lvbgDGWE9q7mjQKof QU1FiOM7mI6QCU8xTjRvVX5pTwvYNB7PAie/UoCfWU7/QdvsgTHRe4pq0XwJqHKy xCr0DbfMZ2TvLFXitS5ZgTbDHURljjHlE7Qdmk9AcFNpI0PCR9YrZ5Mgb10sMygr kX3V3uzjx2YBjKEpX9fqk6Kf/aufUqQ1PRBHF3m6bSE= =mtj/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----