Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE58C002F for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBF04224A for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:30:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org ABBF04224A Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=protonmail.com header.i=@protonmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=protonmail3 header.b=njiwIVMN X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5bxhbdCyXQg5 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:30:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org 8F53842246 Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch (mail-4319.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.19]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F53842246 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:30:30 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1680280236; x=1680539436; bh=iluRaLmDvdEOTIKFo6Ji6Emy1kuSEZwjcly8gfCCRNY=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=njiwIVMN1DwXIIHiwcM4HDqw9eiNsP3KjSd7kLX84dHwapGygrwcbm4qQb1ENW9sD KYQWi/ekp+jvcRgRMziyJXf9e99/mQpuJB/lD/+fFhvAnzfPF+9BgqfczNI8+4hJ7L do0Zwu9k5QRh2B43z+8kdMmRFvGaTZ7hN5LoauvbJiiiSl9Tib5ALz7XUsabqyAFso k8CvBM+MPFJzaD4iwNHkN4R68BYshSQY2U4slGzqUuUd3ddFZcEXJzO5xfZws2eIL+ 2yvd40S+NXbTHJqH6iFT/+GxPgVmc8CmRJd6UI9cOnkw7u57QYLXYq+tDZH5ATZlZi W/dj3o8HRvguQ== To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion From: alicexbt Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 40602938:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Apr 2023 13:50:35 +0000 Cc: Greg Sanders Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin fungibility and inscribed sats X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:30:42 -0000 Hi Steve and Bitcoin Developers, I have created a new thread as requested by one of the developers. I respec= t him and the readers of this list. > "want bitcoin to be money and money means different things for people in this world" > I think we can all agree that a property of money is fungibility, and by its very definition NFTs are not fungible and thus not money. Inscriptions do not affect fungibility of bitcoin: - There is no token standard being used. These are just sats being consider= ed as inscription in an external protocol or explorer. Bitcoin nodes do not= consider them as something special. - Users can always sell those inscribed sats or UTXO as normal bitcoin on b= isq or any exchange. - They can use different amounts for it using tools like https://raritygard= en.inscribetheplanet.com/ which is created by super testnet who is active d= ev in bitcoin and ln. - Inscribed sats are different from Ethereum tokens because they will never= go to zero and you can always consolidate lot of them to use as normal bit= coin. Bitcoin fungibility is anyways debatable and I cannot change anything about= it even though working on a coinjoin implmentation as some post mix UTXOs = are censored on some exchanges and its easy to identify them. Some coinjoin= implementation themselves work with chain analysis companies to censor inp= uts used for rounds. Ordinals theory is a parallel universe in which some users believe in and t= hey have been trying to learn how bitcoin works. Example: I did call with s= omeone this evening to explain how PSBT and multisig works who never used b= itcoin before Developers are interested to build things and they have tried to create BIP= , DEX, look for libraries, ask questions, projects implementing PSBT etc. I do not live in first world country and do not attend bitdevs but always w= anted bitcoin to be here. I have tried my best but failed. Please let peopl= e do what they want with bitcoin without changing consensus rules. It will = help Bitcoin. /dev/fd0 floppy disk guy Sent with Proton Mail secure email.