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From: Dennison Bertram <dennison@dennisonbertram.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:43:48 +0200
To: Luke-Jr <luke@dashjr.org>
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?
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That is true, but someone is already running it as a service on the blockcha=
in itself. See:

https://www.proofofexistence.com/

You can imagine similar  services cropping up for things like torrents, send=
ing btc tweets, etc. While I am not saying these things are particularly ref=
ined ideas in and of themselves, people should have an opportunity to play w=
ith them, and better testnet.=20

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:57 AM, "Luke-Jr" <luke@dashjr.org> wrote:

> Timestamping ("proof of existence") doesn't need a coin at all. Just colle=
ct=20
> all the hashes you need timestamped into a PoE merkle tree and add that to=
 the=20
> merged mining MT. It's pretty simple and straightforward, just needs someo=
ne=20
> to implement it.
>=20
> On Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:09:09 AM Dennison Bertram wrote:
>> Have your seen 'proof of existence'? It's basically a bitcoin notary
>> service that proves a document existed before it gets inserted into the
>> blockchain. While a good idea- you could argue that it's blockchain spam
>> as well- especially if one were to adapt it to high volumes in the future=

>> for notarizing permanently things like tweets (for example) or combining
>> it with something like colored coins. These are great ideas, but maybe
>> better suited to a proto bitcoin without needing to fashion a brand new
>> coin.

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ckchain itself. See:</div><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><b=
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8, 180, 0.230469);">You can imagine similar &nbsp;services cropping up for t=
hings like torrents, sending btc tweets, etc. While I am not saying these th=
ings are particularly refined ideas in and of themselves, people should have=
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t><br><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Sent from my iPhone</s=
pan></div><div style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br>On Jun 15, 201=
3, at 3:57 AM, "Luke-Jr" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:luke@dashjr.org">luke@dashjr.=
org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"-webkit-t=
ext-size-adjust: auto; "><div><span>Timestamping ("proof of existence") does=
n't need a coin at all. Just collect </span><br><span>all the hashes you nee=
d timestamped into a PoE merkle tree and add that to the </span><br><span>me=
rged mining MT. It's pretty simple and straightforward, just needs someone <=
/span><br><span>to implement it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>On Saturda=
y, June 15, 2013 12:09:09 AM Dennison Bertram wrote:</span><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><span>Have your seen 'proof of existence'? It's basically a bit=
coin notary</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>service t=
hat proves a document existed before it gets inserted into the</span><br></b=
lockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>blockchain. While a good idea- you=
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pe=3D"cite"><span>as well- especially if one were to adapt it to high volume=
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r></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>it with something like colore=
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hion a brand new</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>coin=
.</span><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></body></html>=

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