Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FBA140C for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 08:00:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from zinan.dashjr.org (zinan.dashjr.org [192.3.11.21]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C918447A for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 08:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ishibashi.localnet (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:5:265::71]) (Authenticated sender: luke-jr) by zinan.dashjr.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6559838ABA72; Sat, 4 Nov 2017 07:59:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Hashcash: 1:25:171104:mark@friedenbach.org::bEnADdl5eJxXjiFm:aCkhn X-Hashcash: 1:25:171104:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org::JierrdSjaHOSAMak:iH6eu From: Luke Dashjr To: Mark Friedenbach Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 07:59:07 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/4.12.12-gentoo; KDE/4.14.34; x86_64; ; ) References: <5B6756D0-6BEF-4A01-BDB8-52C646916E29@friedenbach.org> <201711010843.49771.luke@dashjr.org> <4F328120-94E0-4EFF-A76D-99E6007FA906@friedenbach.org> In-Reply-To: <4F328120-94E0-4EFF-A76D-99E6007FA906@friedenbach.org> X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E463 A93F 5F31 17EE DE6C 7316 BD02 9424 21F4 889F X-PGP-Key-ID: BD02942421F4889F X-PGP-Keyserver: hkp://pgp.mit.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="gb18030" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201711040759.09710.luke@dashjr.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Merkle branch verification & tail-call semantics for generalized MAST X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 08:00:24 -0000 How about using for the first stage, `<...> OP_CALCMERKLEROOT OP_EQU= AL`=20 instead of ` OP_CHECKMERKLEBRANCH`? There's maybe 1 or 2 bytes ext= ra,=20 but it seems more future-proof (since there could more easily be alternativ= es=20 to ` OP_EQUAL` in future script versions). OTOH, OP_ADDTOSCRIPTHASH may be fatally incompatible with script versioning= =2E..=20 Old nodes won't know how to check the witness program, which means an=20 undefined version could be used to bypass the correct script entirely. Need to think more on this still. Luke On Wednesday 01 November 2017 3:08:46 PM Mark Friedenbach wrote: > Yes, if you use a witness script version you can save about 40 witness > bytes by templating the MBV script, which I think is equivalent to what > you are suggesting. 32 bytes from the saved hash, plus another 8 bytes or > so from script templates and more efficient serialization. >=20 > I believe the conservatively correct approach is to do this in stages, > however. First roll out MBV and tail call to witness v0. Then once there > is experience with people using it in production, design and deploy a > hashing template for script v1. It might be that we learn more and think > of something better in the meantime. >=20 > > On Nov 1, 2017, at 1:43 AM, Luke Dashjr wrote: > >=20 > > Mark, > >=20 > > I think I have found an improvement that can be made. > >=20 > > As you recall, a downside to this approach is that one must make two > > commitments: first, to the particular "membership-checking script"; and > > then in that script, to the particular merkle root of possible scripts. > >=20 > > Would there be any harm in, instead of checking membership, *calculatin= g* > > the root? If not, then we could define that instead of the witness > > program committing to H(membership-check script), it rather commits to > > H(membership- calculation script | data added by an OP_ADDTOSCRIPTHASH). > > This would, I believe, securely reduce the commitment of both to a > > single hash. > >=20 > > It also doesn't reduce flexibility, since one could omit > > OP_ADDTOSCRIPTHASH from their "membership-calculation" script to get the > > previous membership- check behaviour, and use OP_EQUAL in its > > place. > >=20 > > What do you think? > >=20 > > Luke > >=20 > >> On Saturday 28 October 2017 4:40:01 AM Mark Friedenbach wrote: > >> I have completed updating the three BIPs with all the feedback that I > >> have received so far. In short summary, here is an incomplete list of > >> the changes that were made: > >>=20 > >> * Modified the hashing function fast-SHA256 so that an internal node > >> cannot be interpreted simultaneously as a leaf. * Changed > >> MERKLEBRANCHVERIFY to verify a configurable number of elements from the > >> tree, instead of just one. * Changed MERKLEBRANCHVERIFY to have two > >> modes: one where the inputs are assumed to be hashes, and one where > >> they are run through double-SHA256 first. * Made tail-call eval > >> compatible with BIP141=A1=AFs CLEANSTACK consensus rule by allowing > >> parameters to be passed on the alt-stack. * Restricted tail-call eval > >> to segwit scripts only, so that checking sigop and opcode limits of the > >> policy script would not be necessary. > >>=20 > >> There were a bunch of other small modifications, typo fixes, and > >> optimizations that were made as well. > >>=20 > >> I am now ready to submit these BIPs as a PR against the bitcoin/bips > >> repo, and I request that the BIP editor assign numbers. > >>=20 > >> Thank you, > >> Mark Friedenbach > >>=20 > >>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 5:38 PM, Mark Friedenbach > >>> wrote: > >>>=20 > >>> I would like to propose two new script features to be added to the > >>> bitcoin protocol by means of soft-fork activation. These features are > >>> a new opcode, MERKLE-BRANCH-VERIFY (MBV) and tail-call execution > >>> semantics. > >>>=20 > >>> In brief summary, MERKLE-BRANCH-VERIFY allows script authors to force > >>> redemption to use values selected from a pre-determined set committed > >>> to in the scriptPubKey, but without requiring revelation of unused > >>> elements in the set for both enhanced privacy and smaller script > >>> sizes. Tail-call execution semantics allows a single level of > >>> recursion into a subscript, providing properties similar to P2SH while > >>> at the same time more flexible. > >>>=20 > >>> These two features together are enough to enable a range of > >>> applications such as tree signatures (minus Schnorr aggregation) as > >>> described by Pieter Wuille [1], and a generalized MAST useful for > >>> constructing private smart contracts. It also brings privacy and > >>> fungibility improvements to users of counter-signing wallet/vault > >>> services as unique redemption policies need only be revealed if/when > >>> exceptional circumstances demand it, leaving most transactions looking > >>> the same as any other MAST-enabled multi-sig script. > >>>=20 > >>> I believe that the implementation of these features is simple enough, > >>> and the use cases compelling enough that we could BIP 8/9 rollout of > >>> these features in relatively short order, perhaps before the end of > >>> the year. > >>>=20 > >>> I have written three BIPs to describe these features, and their > >>> associated implementation, for which I now invite public review and > >>> discussion: > >>>=20 > >>> Fast Merkle Trees > >>> BIP: https://gist.github.com/maaku/41b0054de0731321d23e9da90ba4ee0a > >>> Code: https://github.com/maaku/bitcoin/tree/fast-merkle-tree > >>>=20 > >>> MERKLEBRANCHVERIFY > >>> BIP: https://gist.github.com/maaku/bcf63a208880bbf8135e453994c0e431 > >>> Code: https://github.com/maaku/bitcoin/tree/merkle-branch-verify > >>>=20 > >>> Tail-call execution semantics > >>> BIP: https://gist.github.com/maaku/f7b2e710c53f601279549aa74eeb5368 > >>> Code: https://github.com/maaku/bitcoin/tree/tail-call-semantics > >>>=20 > >>> Note: I have circulated this idea privately among a few people, and I > >>> will note that there is one piece of feedback which I agree with but > >>> is not incorporated yet: there should be a multi-element MBV opcode > >>> that allows verifying multiple items are extracted from a single > >>> tree. It is not obvious how MBV could be modified to support this > >>> without sacrificing important properties, or whether should be a > >>> separate multi-MBV opcode instead. > >>>=20 > >>> Kind regards, > >>> Mark Friedenbach