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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 21:39:31 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Suggestion: allow receivers to pay
 optional fee for transactions without fees
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To clarify, there are proposals to make miners recognize this
situation and account for it, only eligius is running it at the moment
IIRC:
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/8390/are-there-any-pools-or-larg=
e-miners-running-child-pays-for-parent-patch
Right now if you were to try it likely wouldn't result in inclusion.
But this is on the radar, and I suspect it'll eventually get merged
into mainline.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM, D=E2niel Fraga <fragabr@gmail.com> wrote:
>         This is good news! Thank you very much Ben for the answer.
>
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:52:39 -0800
> Ben Davenport <bendavenport@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You can create a transaction which spends the output to yourself, attach=
ing
>> a fee to that transaction. In order for miners to grab the transaction f=
ee
>> on that transaction, they would have to also mine the original transacti=
on.
>> Likely, you'd have to do this by hand, but software could be written to
>> simplify doing it. No protocol changes needed.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM, D=E2niel Fraga <fragabr@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>>
>> >         Someone sent me a very small donation (0.00121 BTC) without
>> > paying fees. I don't know who sent it and I know this type of
>> > transaction are usually rejected by miners. Take a look at it below:
>> >
>> > https://imageshack.com/i/ngv5g8j
>> >
>> >         Even with the a low probability of confirmation, I
>> > was hoping that after a few days it could be included in a block, but
>> > Blockchain.info simply removed it (I know the sender sent from a
>> > Blockchain.info wallet, because he added a note):
>> >
>> >
>> > https://blockchain.info/pt/tx/3cde47ee3979a46b36bd61bdb0caf9c11dea58ac=
99f17fb17b95728766de70e0
>> >
>> >         As you can see now it shows as "Transaction not found".
>> >
>> >         My suggestion is: it would be nice if the receiver could have =
a
>> > chance to pay the fee when the sender didn't pay any fee. For example,
>> > I could pay a fee of 0.0001 BTC and receive 0.00121 BTC. In the end I'=
d
>> > have 0.00111 BTC. Better than nothing.
>> >
>> >         Would it be technically possible to do that or it would be too
>> > much trouble to change the protocol to allow the receiver to pay an
>> > optional fee?
>> >
>> >         Ps: I'm not a programmer, but if the receiver could
>> > optionally "attach" some fee to the transaction, even if he/she didn't
>> > sent the transaction, this could be solved. Bitcoin-qt could even warn
>> > the receiver he received a transaction without fee and if he wants
>> > faster confirmation he could pay a fee.
>> >
>> >         Ps2: if this is a silly suggestion, just ignore it. I tried on
>> > Bitcointalk, but nobody answered.
>> >
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