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[84.75.251.165]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 1sm62544152eeg.4.2013.12.01.09.52.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:52:32 -0800 (PST) Sender: Mike Hearn Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_02200B8E-BF06-4B25-8AE1-BA1E013006FD"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) From: Mike Hearn In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 18:52:27 +0100 Message-Id: <8071CCBC-2583-4561-9D78-CF9FBAAFB95A@plan99.net> References: <5E4597E4-C1C7-4536-8CF0-82EDD7715DAB@plan99.net> <39921E12-B411-4430-9D56-04F53906B109@plan99.net> To: Andreas Schildbach X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mh.in.england[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1VnBCC-0002wu-Oy Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Floating fees and SPV clients X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 17:52:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_02200B8E-BF06-4B25-8AE1-BA1E013006FD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > "This payment did not become spendable since xxx minutes. Check with = the > sender if s/he paid the Bitcoin network fee. Check if your internet > connection is working properly." (incoming) That seems reasonable. The other message should be implementable today, I think? If = numBroadcastPeers > 0 post 0.10.3 then you know the tx made it out to = the internet. Unfortunately if nodes start to diverge a lot in terms of what they will = accept, then =93transmitted=94 is no longer a clean binary yes/no thing. = Guess we=92ll have to jump that hurdle when we come to it. > Guess you're right. But as you said, we're not there yet. The payment protocol at least would need some notion of fee, or possibly = (better?) the ability for a recipient to specify some inputs as well as = some outputs. Originally I think we were hoping for child-pays-for-parent. 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