Return-Path: Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84312C002D for ; Sat, 7 May 2022 01:57:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C73060BBA for ; Sat, 7 May 2022 01:57:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp3.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=jtimon-cc.20210112.gappssmtp.com Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3ggEkHFRTzM0 for ; Sat, 7 May 2022 01:57:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-yw1-x112f.google.com (mail-yw1-x112f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::112f]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59E2A60A90 for ; Sat, 7 May 2022 01:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yw1-x112f.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-2f83983782fso98430557b3.6 for ; Fri, 06 May 2022 18:57:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jtimon-cc.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BZlynKS7AvykO1YAMbdnS80zf7KCImsjv7KIDswQRrs=; b=ufyt3WZ94n0u1GUX61S9zBEh9p4C2cR+VVKO9sO+Zn7i6fdnqYei8TXRKUExNw25Pg soxx1yP1J1KHIx95/iUUf9KlBjR9hgFszptr2rVRHMs1lRQ4fgorrzYgfijF0JsxsqZA R8FQ67iE12jHkHJinr9+51kD+lxtlvZAfXoI0BPdFmyc0BwB2qGRtZo1hUOMdMyEq+wI ExxJdVne7cSChJQApXsUowdb0KdV0qvteN/eswdy/Lhdie5WshXC+F460yiruBW3vv0u 1BC7eMruBZbhbhPXpcKljGFBW4ZtxbUHwylTdAdRwNVLDYiTiFSar6WxKeFWB6a7p+yT sZwA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=BZlynKS7AvykO1YAMbdnS80zf7KCImsjv7KIDswQRrs=; b=msNq/dskFChrx1Q8auckHKGXLaxCcdF3BOOLOJn13Gn1oJYSxmcZcUzkyPu2AEdICo g9V03sbk9C+KhR6+H3XuqUeXBGqLZhQmS8BixlUIA56o0938B0H6qR3ecnO9DE+V9HFr MtcMAlGz86NQrXCA5m7RfQBRxOqiZguB/09Oxd9u1eprE0qlpMkViFB1OGiR/9VURngA NGYM/ngLLosK4mg8LFoKEwSQ0ThnCHWosfZxaXMcs7xyxuGm9caW+UWj+9L10jQlAo3t CAtt2dVoIBa5qqM0yIVTNmG5ehOVPR+Bqr+sJoyRzsld/u48bCe8OHzm6oTN11FZAyye pybw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Z4araxdRM2dLMlmvr4734oGRd9vKjj0/TpxE2qriHmtfMrSOz HS8RTH7ZkTumR+uL1OvBpu6n1zoy09O5YgKViAf8dA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzm476Q1iajlnU2vM8zcPuA8g2ximv6nQSod89PsPOJaG0rmGDdf+ifhh5J5MP/D177mSEVaDoAsGL9q9qtZwY= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:df46:0:b0:2f7:bba8:9cc1 with SMTP id i67-20020a0ddf46000000b002f7bba89cc1mr4849230ywe.441.1651888671151; Fri, 06 May 2022 18:57:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9yZ2UgVGltw7Nu?= Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 03:57:39 +0200 Message-ID: To: John Tromp , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000073f0f205de624d8a" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 07 May 2022 21:25:14 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 May 2022 01:57:53 -0000 --00000000000073f0f205de624d8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It is quite ironic that yeah, it is quite ironic that the people who are constantly basing their arguments on personal attack are also the ones who complain the most about personal attacks. That's exactly the irony I was trying to convey. Just like some people claim that the only people against bip119 are people ignorant about bip119, I can also claim that everyone against bip8 doesn't really understand it, can't I? The same people who spread the misinformation that bip8 "would be perceived by most users as developers trying to dictate changes" are now complaining about people spreading misinformation about their own proposals. I personally find it as ironic as it can get. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed how ironic the whole situation is. How often are the people claiming to be concerned about misinformation precisely the ones who spread the most misinformation? Very ironic indeed. On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:07 PM John Tromp via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > On Fri, 6 May 2022 7:17PM Jorge Tim?n wrote > > But let's not personally attack andreas for his opinions. > > The only reason you don't like bip8 is because you're ignorant about it > and > > you haven't reviewed it enough. > > Can you see the irony in equating "clueless about BIP119" with a > personal attack and then calling Jeremy ignorant about BIP8? > > -John > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --00000000000073f0f205de624d8a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It is quite ironic that yeah, it is quite ironic that= the people who are constantly basing their arguments on personal attack ar= e also the ones who complain the most about personal attacks. That's ex= actly the irony I was trying to convey.
Just like some people cla= im that the only people against bip119 are people ignorant about bip119, I = can also claim that everyone against bip8 doesn't really understand it,= can't I?
The same people who spread the misinformation that = bip8 "would be perceived by most users as developers trying to dictate= changes" are now complaining about people spreading misinformation ab= out their own proposals. I personally find it as ironic as it can get.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed how ironic the whol= e situation is.
How often are the people claiming to be conce= rned about misinformation precisely the ones who spread the most misinforma= tion?
Very ironic indeed.

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:07 PM Jo= hn Tromp via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2022 7:17PM J= orge Tim?n wrote
> But let's not personally attack andreas for his opinions.
> The only reason you don't like bip8 is because you're ignorant= about it and
> you haven't reviewed it enough.

Can you see the irony in equating "clueless about BIP119" with a<= br> personal attack and then calling Jeremy ignorant about BIP8?

-John
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