Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 13:47:25 -0500
From: Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org>
To: Ivan Brightly <ibrightly@gmail.com>
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Cc: Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder.com>,
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Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Is SourceForge still trustworthy enough
 to host this list?
Precedence: list

I think if the consensus is "pay with commits or pay with bitcoin"
we might have a consensus from the people that actually matter very 
quickly, because they've already paid ;)

My opinion is the most sustainable solution would be to identify a
team of admins and use something like Digital Ocean's new team accounts
feature and have someone like SolidX contribute funds for the servers
and a few hours a week from one of their sysadmins to the team.

I am dubious of most commercial list-as-a-service providers for the same
reason I am dubious of sourceforge. Market conditions change and then all
of a sudden the fact you're in control of a popular list becomes more 
valuable than what your customer is paying you to run the list.

If the list provider can actively help out in encouraging read-only mirrors
of the list archives, then I think we mitigate the above business risk.


On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 02:28:55PM -0400, Ivan Brightly wrote:
> I like elegant solutions and while eventually I can see a "pay to
> contribute" service, I don't imagine you'll get consensus in short order.
> 
> List provider costs are pretty reasonable, so if that's the hurdle to
> overcome I'm happy to offer sponsorship.
> 
> Ivan Brightly
> SolidX Partners
> 
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Andy Schroder <info@andyschroder.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Regarding changing the e-mail list provider. Is anyone interested in
> > sponsoring it? There are non-free options, but it may be difficult to
> > always ensure the fee is being paid to the provider. I think finding an
> > agreeable free solution may have been the issue before? I've also
> > thought of trying to make a pay per message or byte solution (and this
> > cost could be dynamic based upon the number of current mailing list
> > subscribers). This could solve the who pays problem (the sender pays),
> > as well as motivate people to be more concise and clear with their
> > messages, and at the same time limit spam.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Andy Schroder
> >
> > On 06/10/2015 05:35 AM, Wladimir J. van der Laan wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:25:12AM +0200, xor wrote:
> > >>
> > http://www.howtogeek.com/218764/warning-don%E2%80%99t-download-software-from-sourceforge-if-you-can-help-it/
> > > All our downloads (even old ones) have recently been deleted from
> > sourceforge, for this reason. They haven't been mentioned in Bitcon Core
> > release announcements for a long time.
> > >
> > > No opinion on the mailing list. Though I think it's less urgent. The
> > issue of moving the mailinglist has come up before a few times and people
> > can't agree where to move to.
> > >
> > > Wladimir
> > >
> > >
> > >
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      Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
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