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[76.167.237.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id da2sm8191313pbb.57.2015.06.13.22.20.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 13 Jun 2015 22:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_44053D0B-5801-4A36-A5BC-39E060BF038E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5b6 From: Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAJHLa0Oh0wm_1SynFdCu+WkVD-gTGk0ZUNgQV0GVj0-3zL=zzw@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 22:20:37 -0700 Message-Id: <04527D50-0118-4E74-8226-3E29B29CC7D8@gmail.com> References: <20150612181153.GB19199@muck> <CAJN5wHVj=KfQ3_KYOKee9uq4LNPwQ7x5nGuKDHEMUqGF4LSDLg@mail.gmail.com> <CAFzgq-y5xBSXexVi0mJw_w89R2_AHJCgmj=gLN4CK_-YaO4-eg@mail.gmail.com> <3BB36FC7-9212-42A1-A756-A66929C15D4F@gmail.com> <CAJHLa0Oh0wm_1SynFdCu+WkVD-gTGk0ZUNgQV0GVj0-3zL=zzw@mail.gmail.com> To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (elombrozo[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature -0.3 AWL AWL: Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address X-Headers-End: 1Z40Lo-0007g1-UT Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] User vote in blocksize through fees X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 05:20:58 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_44053D0B-5801-4A36-A5BC-39E060BF038E Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3B4B0392-6097-4609-8DB8-732F1E4180D8" --Apple-Mail=_3B4B0392-6097-4609-8DB8-732F1E4180D8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I definitely think we need some voting system for metaconsensus=E2=80=A6bu= t if we=E2=80=99re going to seriously consider this we should look at = the problem much more generally. Using false choices doesn=E2=80=99t = really help, though ;) - Eric Lombrozo > On Jun 13, 2015, at 10:13 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com> wrote: >=20 > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Eric Lombrozo <elombrozo@gmail.com = <mailto:elombrozo@gmail.com>> wrote: > 2) BIP100 has direct economic consequences=E2=80=A6and particularly = for miners. It lends itself to much greater corruptibility. >=20 >=20 > What is the alternative? Have a Chief Scientist or Technical Advisory = Board choose what is a proper fee, what is a proper level of = decentralization, a proper growth factor? --Apple-Mail=_3B4B0392-6097-4609-8DB8-732F1E4180D8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D"">I definitely think we need some voting system for = metaconsensus=E2=80=A6but if we=E2=80=99re going to seriously consider = this we should look at the problem much more generally. Using false = choices doesn=E2=80=99t really help, though ;)<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- Eric Lombrozo<br class=3D""><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote = type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 13, 2015, at 10:13 PM, = Jeff Garzik <<a href=3D"mailto:jgarzik@bitpay.com" = class=3D"">jgarzik@bitpay.com</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline = !important;" class=3D"">On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Eric = Lombrozo<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span = dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; = font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" = class=3D""><<a href=3D"mailto:elombrozo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">elombrozo@gmail.com</a>></span><span style=3D"font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; = font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; = orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: = none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline = !important;" class=3D""><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</span><br = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_extra" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; = font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div = class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: = 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, = 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;">2) BIP100 has = direct economic consequences=E2=80=A6and particularly for miners. It = lends itself to much greater corruptibility.<br class=3D""><br = class=3D""></blockquote><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">What is the alternative? Have a Chief Scientist or = Technical Advisory Board choose what is a proper fee, what is a proper = level of decentralization, a proper growth = factor?</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_3B4B0392-6097-4609-8DB8-732F1E4180D8-- --Apple-Mail=_44053D0B-5801-4A36-A5BC-39E060BF038E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVfQ8lAAoJEJNAI64YFENUIioP/jpNC9Batx53qXThVd1UYSq9 mN8MBEsiMJIKHiJPCzGeN9VlTIDWMoisUhgIbQYwbpEpKoYZRxcmIBQfhcag9Aby uTxwuyWb2nifylBKyw1aNKSZjias4ovW2NB6eQ+UqPoui1HtAAI0HJ00gqH617Jp q0liyfknAfHDbaoaZ4KmqxGfbhAkGAUfU0XmRcUU7gne6c0/53OqOk2sqkadFKzm 8Mkcwv3HlSuEB580u56JRhEGFXHIDTUYAWws/LkdS3XbOY118X1YxMHCVdQN/Bz5 OT+sgEbUgXFBg3zO8IdQ+0WuLN4ZHOHca4I3Rmbc0g63YTQPRTCcA77tPSNUdDiE FeqzRGmaWenNgNPYjk/2XytwcEXJxsGLSwIic0tPyGM3CnvgKBLkSWMS+V59Ymp2 IXTk5n11VoJacIw2E6wYM6U/UnPiNNzzqr9e1IYESQERbVzYUDAs+DTYsOVb+BBF qal7u4gH7QY4wRGZx1PkJzjcFNohG5ky/dsIEhFVNHwrj1FsHDgOS8gywkY/Txhu RoAy9TjyoIbm6MtWt1zfbka22LpDnm3DjrQbWw6Dl7Y8Kbt5XgLkldQxNjmAGZtE owqHqQDJpo8itqGMzbQoGwsIQaBi3mW/yQpn++sOxyMBO2taBhhs8ne5yhLUac0b CFOGXDDVNWUFwx8iv3wC =rCaf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_44053D0B-5801-4A36-A5BC-39E060BF038E--