Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1EC1FF5 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 01:13:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from outmail148102.authsmtp.net (outmail148102.authsmtp.net [62.13.148.102]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9705AE3 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 01:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-c245.authsmtp.com (mail-c245.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.245]) by punt20.authsmtp.com. (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w091Dcc1012811; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 01:13:38 GMT (envelope-from pete@petertodd.org) Received: from petertodd.org (ec2-52-5-185-120.compute-1.amazonaws.com [52.5.185.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w091DaQv063630 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 9 Jan 2018 01:13:37 GMT (envelope-from pete@petertodd.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by petertodd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD9A340110; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 01:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0CDDE208A8; Mon, 8 Jan 2018 20:13:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 20:13:35 -0500 From: Peter Todd To: Rhavar , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Message-ID: <20180109011335.GA22039@savin.petertodd.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Server-Quench: 51ff856b-f4da-11e7-9f3b-9cb654bb2504 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdgsUElQaAgsB Am4bW1VeUV57WmQ7 bghPaBtcak9QXgdq T0pMXVMcUwVhAGhQ Z1geVBp0dAUIcX13 ZwhnXyYNVEF8J1sr RhoFCGwHMGB9YTYc Al1RJFFSdQcYLB1A alQxNiYHcQ5VPz4z GA41ejw8IwAXEy1J RRoNLFYbS11DBTM3 XR0eVS4vFFcIS20r NR04I0IRVEUcIw0p OlssXF9w X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1039:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 52.5.185.120/25 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Satoshilabs secret shared private key scheme X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 01:13:42 -0000 --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 07:40:38PM -0500, Rhavar via bitcoin-dev wrote: > I think you're under-appreciating how useful the "plausible deniability".= Someone I know was (solo) traveling to the United States when a border age= nt asked her to unlocked her phone; thumbed through her apps, ended up find= ing tinder and went through all her recent conversations to make sure she w= asn't involved in any "pay for sex things". >=20 > In the same light, I travel frequently and constantly have my trezor on m= e. If I am asked to unlock it, I will have no problems doing so (as refusal= will no doubt lead to deportation) and showing my personal wallet (which s= adly hasn't had much use since fees became ridiculous). Trezor's "plausible deniability" scheme could very well result in you going= to jail for lying to border security, because it's so easy for them to simply brute force alternate passwords based on your seeds. With that, they have p= roof that you lied to customs, a serious offense. I would strongly advise you not to use it in that situation. --=20 https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJaVBc7AAoJECSBQD2l8JH77PQIAKJNd0fGKjHgzjMjl3EoPstk dzKIHF1/YUeWd5zYViOVlf2iVKTh9aj4kXPqfzljl+ryBc//p7GswDYIt9VRXb/L twiwyLPad/1BlnL7ZiOOwaWivRJ3f1wq7L00vPvgIy5pkCx62KlOyp4x6W1xmZHz E0RWXP/8PaHzOzNz/Y+US+ldImV/WvoZdhLNBXfJl674dlkG/g40MkQxrEsWLznp yzEgzxumIPzleJvqQV5ZUVGag0pbavzo6sVVCWdAy1IUbEd+RmPuIkghsolz3Jd2 oZCjZ5WXfSva3QGNJIAAgNt5982AqLbKj+h3ZGhM/MctxZ2LSk5OAoxCeQ/nMbo= =7wQ1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd--