Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2770F305 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:18:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from server3 (server3.include7.ch [144.76.194.38]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBBB157 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server3 (Postfix, from userid 115) id 5255E2E6063E; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 16:18:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from Jonass-MacBook-Pro-2.local (cable-static-140-182.teleport.ch [87.102.140.182]) by server3 (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 97CA92D0002E for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 16:18:29 +0200 (CEST) To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org References: <201608232012.12588.luke@dashjr.org> <90bf12f2-e109-28b4-e93e-54bbc8002cb4@electrum.org> From: Jonas Schnelli Message-ID: <57BDACB2.9040307@jonasschnelli.ch> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 16:18:26 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <90bf12f2-e109-28b4-e93e-54bbc8002cb4@electrum.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UOarbQuVKGHSe2BqPDJVoe6huqdHGvtU8" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Status updates (including to Active/Final Status) - BIP 39, BIP 43, BIP 44, BIP 67, BIP 111, BIP 125, BIP 130 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:18:33 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --UOarbQuVKGHSe2BqPDJVoe6huqdHGvtU8 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="7OkxXjw4XcDkqMGoCFwif8uPXLDuKspAN" From: Jonas Schnelli To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Message-ID: <57BDACB2.9040307@jonasschnelli.ch> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP Status updates (including to Active/Final Status) - BIP 39, BIP 43, BIP 44, BIP 67, BIP 111, BIP 125, BIP 130 References: <201608232012.12588.luke@dashjr.org> <90bf12f2-e109-28b4-e93e-54bbc8002cb4@electrum.org> In-Reply-To: <90bf12f2-e109-28b4-e93e-54bbc8002cb4@electrum.org> --7OkxXjw4XcDkqMGoCFwif8uPXLDuKspAN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi > 6 - Finally, and most importantly, BIP39 seed phrases do not have a > version number. Without a version number, how are you going to derive > addresses from a BIP39 seed phrase, when wallets start to use to new > derivation methods (such as SegWit, or Schnorr signatures)? Does it mea= n > that a BIP39 compatible wallet will have to check addresses from all th= e > derivation methods that ever existed in the past, in order to ensure > that all coins are correctly retrieved? Or will there be users that > cannot access their coins because their BIP39 seed phrase is too old fo= r > newer software? I totally agree with Thomas. Another thing that I think could be a BIP misdesign: BIP44 Gap Limits =46rom the BIP: ---------- "Address gap limit is currently set to 20. If the software hits 20 unused addresses in a row, it expects there are no used addresses beyond this point and stops searching the address chain." ---------- * Does that mean, we do a transaction rescan back to the genesis block for every 20 addresses? * Or is it a prerequirement to do a wallet recovery after BIP44's to have access to a full address-indexed blockchain? Or maybe I'm missing something. --7OkxXjw4XcDkqMGoCFwif8uPXLDuKspAN-- --UOarbQuVKGHSe2BqPDJVoe6huqdHGvtU8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXvayyAAoJECnUvLZBb1PsCIoP/jiMJ6DTWdVMtO4pSrrjBDHy 4iFvl5PEFsfmNN8tXOflqgtQS8CvrBa9tvWyG7+k9+yHL0w0p472TjowiRv6HEVv mlm09tbzdokL4kEIiv7fNnw4K0RPWvnDXluUEoJO5t9JPiUMUv/w82SxD5zEggIF 5KNkO+kQQ8gwGImqUeEOoTswBfhbQXYzJCojf9uLITU0IxgMA9dlVx1IX0hlGA9/ imm7gHrn3Ahfjcvrq+6VlFYhU9Orn7rUBB+GwY6Bxr78UfHS4wAjbNW2InvjIfQz LgV+1f9oIoN2demCLuDWjqZqRMQ664JL1YrK3+P2DwvIc2W8uBEsJJc21At+tT32 wDBG3OyLZo13HdsKhLYJUab7UHv+f+WEHDeb3C32o6lVYUsr+VW9OmzUAf9FtYrH nFlO11OqdZsKDjyYJRkmNbwBHVaM2pqJDPkLZvQDhta9AOk8qfINZ9KXj8qJARB7 hISexLS/rtl+Q3Lp4+2WKMBw3sIDvTvgo5RrtCwMCkVWLzndfo0PCWLhuARXPYIP WRvaa3pd7oGYnOsi5vWeY1R/jCQRQwT53WHh+ihlL9OQBdTHjv9XqSXL8l1nWpbN RZsm0t1Zm1qsOgS/qI3hr/JhHO94gurWwi0fkjPF5l5JmmtMba3FsvFwzuWv0lOb DeGelnYibcH42/qjSqiT =hGe6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UOarbQuVKGHSe2BqPDJVoe6huqdHGvtU8--