From laolu32 at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 23:50:27 2023 From: laolu32 at gmail.com (Olaoluwa Osuntokun) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2023 15:50:27 -0800 Subject: [Lightning-dev] Mailing List Future In-Reply-To: References: <5458e0a9-ddd5-4ea1-8ebb-6151a3b20022@mattcorallo.com> Message-ID: > Some folks indicated they'd like to interact with it via the supposed > "mailing list mode", but sadly AJ indicated it may not be super reliable > (and seems to be disabled on delvingbitcoin.org). I've asked AJ to enable > it so people can maybe try it out but we'll see if it works. Sadly if you > don't enable this mode it appears you cannot post via email. FWIW, I made an account today, activated email mode, and confirmed I can get the emails np: https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/this-is-a-shitpost-thread/249/2. AJ says he disabled it, but I think he just disabled the ability to _send_ emails into and have them be picked up. I found a better resource re how to use Discourse _purely_ via email from Mozilla's instance: https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279. You can even just send an email to create topics as well. Initially I was worried that I wouldn't to get email notifications from _just_ the lightning-dev sub-forum, but from the link above, you can filter based on the headers they set in the email (filter out for just the forum you care about). If AJ doesn't want to enable inbound mail, then we can make our own instance for lightning-dev. Peter Todd wrote: > Also, email list archives naturally lead themselves to decent > authentication, both via PGP and more commonly, DMIK, making archives > authenticatable Re archiving: today anyone can start to get an archive of the entire forum by signing up for the mailing list mode. James OB has also created an external tool that'll let Chroniclers archive the existing forum, or any new one: https://github.com/jamesob/discourse-archive. Vincenzo wrote: > A problem that I see with http://delvingbitcoin.org/ is what happens 10 > years from now? Who knows ?\_(?)_/?? The Bitcoin mailing list started on Sourceforge, then moved between another instance before finding its home today on the Linux foundation mailing lists. The developer base is what matters, not where the forum we all use to coordinate is hosted. -- Laolu On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 1:46?PM Vincenzo Palazzo < vincenzopalazzodev at gmail.com> wrote: > A problem that I see with http://delvingbitcoin.org/ is what happens > 10 years from now? > > I am more in favour of keeping the ML (and I can host it because I > have a couple of projects that need an ML too) because > 10 years from now we are sure that the mail is still alive. > > In addition, I was going to try https://lists.sr.ht as a list, maybe > we can use it as a backup list? like an archive-ln-list or something? > > However, I am not a blocker for people who want to use > http://delvingbitcoin.org/ > it is accessible enough also for screen readers > > Vincent. > > > On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 9:35?PM Matt Corallo > wrote: > > > > Ah, there was also some concern over archiving of a discourse, which > we'd hoped was trivial through > > "mailing list mode", but apparently that may not be the case. Further > thoughts on that are welcome. > > > > Matt > > > > On 12/4/23 12:32 PM, Matt Corallo wrote: > > > On the call the vote was split between "host our own ML, or maybe use > groups.io" and "some discourse > > > instance, probably delvingbitcoin.org", with a weak majority for the > second. > > > > > > With that in mind, we're gonna give delvingbitcoin.org a try, at > least for two weeks, and then we > > > can come back to this and discuss! > > > > > > Some folks indicated they'd like to interact with it via the supposed > "mailing list mode", but sadly > > > AJ indicated it may not be super reliable (and seems to be disabled on > delvingbitcoin.org). I've > > > asked AJ to enable it so people can maybe try it out but we'll see if > it works. Sadly if you don't > > > enable this mode it appears you cannot post via email. > > > > > > See-also discussion of using a category vs tags at > > > > https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/can-we-get-a-lightning-protocol-design-category-wg/242/3 > > > > > > Because this is new, we'll have another discussion in two weeks about > if people are happy with this > > > as a solution/if we should host our own discourse (not sure why)/if we > should go back to the mailing > > > list plan. Those who have a view can also respond to this email and > I'll raise it in the meeting. > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > On 11/26/23 8:51 AM, Matt Corallo wrote: > > >> During the last meeting it came up that the mailing list here will > likely shut down somewhere > > >> around the end of the year. We listed basically the following options > for future discussion forums: > > >> > > >> * google groups as a mailing list hoster. One question was whether > its friendly to subscribing > > >> without a gmail account, which may be limiting to some. > > >> * github discussions on the lightning org. One question is whether > the moderation tools here are > > >> sufficient. > > >> * Someone (probably me) host a mailman instance and we use another > mailing list. I dug into this a > > >> bit and am happy to do this, on the one condition that the ML remains > fully moderated, though this > > >> doens't seem like a substantial burden today. One question is if > spam-foldering will be an issue, > > >> but with full moderation I'm pretty confident this will be tolerable, > at least for those with > > >> email hosted anywhere but Microsoft lol. > > >> * A discourse instance (either we host one or we use delvingbitcoin, > which AJ hosts and has > > >> previously offered to set up a lightning section on). > > >> > > >> There was some loose discussion, but I'm not sure there's going to be > a clear conclusion. Thus, I > > >> think we should simply vote at the next meeting after a time-boxed > minute or two discussion. If > > >> anyone has any thoughts or would like to have their voice heard, they > can join the meeting in a > > >> week and a day or can respond here and I'll do my best to repeat the > views expressed on the call. > > >> > > >> Matt > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Lightning-dev mailing list > > >> Lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org > > >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Lightning-dev mailing list > > > Lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org > > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > > _______________________________________________ > > Lightning-dev mailing list > > Lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > _______________________________________________ > Lightning-dev mailing list > Lightning-dev at lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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