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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:24:20 -0800
From: Ken Clements <Ken@Innovation-On-Demand.com>
Organization: Innovation On Demand, Inc.
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Subject: Re: q***** [that is, you know what]
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Dan Fabulich wrote:
>
> You're telling me that your argument for the existence of Experience is
> that... it's a FIRST PRINCIPLE??? What the *heck* kind of an argument is
> that? This is dogma, not reason!
>
> -Dan, frustrated
>
Thank you, Dan, for demonstrating that us zombies experience frustration even though we cannot Experience it. I have often suspected that one of the goals of Zen is to breakthrough this internal shadow theater of Experience so that one can experience the world more directly. I want to thank all who have joined in this discussion, which although it could never have resolved anything (being about the q word, and all), has made me realize that I am not conscious, and have never been, although I thought I was. This has freed me up from lots of useless (to a zombie) conceptual baggage, and let me get on with trying to understand how information processing systems (and other zombies) self organize, represent external events and relationships, do problem solving, and get out of bed in the morning.
-Ken (that little old Zen Zombie, me)
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