Date sent: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:23:41 -0400 From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <mike@lorrey.com> Organization: http://lorrey.com http://artlocate.com To: extropians@extropy.com Subject: Re: Guns [was Re: Property Rights] Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
> "Joe E. Dees" wrote:
>
> > From: "Lee Daniel Crocker" <lcrocker@mercury.colossus.net (none)>
> >
> > > Gun control laws are a miserable failure by any measure; one
> > > doesn't need the Constitution to show that.
> > >
> > Notice that, in an Orwellian inversion, he labels those who don't
> > wish everyone, including, children, the mentally ill, convicted violent
> > criminals, and spouse and child abusers, to have the perpetual
> > ability to shoot anyone else within bullet range as "the forces of
> > evil."
>
> The first laws limiting gun ownership from certain groups were as follows:
>
> In the US, blacks could not own guns in many jursidictions under the KKK enforced Jim
> Crow laws right up until the Civil Rights Act, and the Gun Control Act of 1968.
>
> In 1928, in response to 'gang violence' between Nazi and Communist mobs, the
> center-right elected government in Germany passed the first german gun control law,
> making discretionary permits and registration required at all levels of gun and
> ammunition manufacture, transportation, sales, use, and destruction.
>
> Mental defectives or others under trusteeship, violators of a whole list of criminal
> statutes (even if sentences were commuted), Gypsies and other itinerants, those under
> 20 years of age, and people under police supervision and other persons who have lost
> their civil rights, were all banned from gun ownership.
>
> When Hitler and the Nazis won 44 percent of the vote in the early 30's, with 265 seats
> in parliament, and the Nationalists had an additional 44 seats as well, giving Hitlers
> coalition a slim 16 seat majority, Hitler knew he could not survive another vote, so he
> had to have martial law declared. Using the 1928 law, they were able over several years
> to refuse to renew the permits of all political opponents and Jews, until in March of
> 1938 they passed their new Reichsgeletsblatt Waffenglets (National Law Book, Weapons
> Law) which did the following:
>
> a) banned Jews from the firearms business
> b) Handguns were singled out for special controls (just like the Brady Law)
> c) Nazi Party organizations were exempted from 'gun control' (just like politicians are
> exempted now from gun control laws)
> d) Anyone "who it is feared may endanger the public safety," could be barred from
> owning any type of weapon. (just like the domestic violence weapons laws now)
> e) It was prohibited to possess .22 caliber cartridges with hollow point, hollow caity,
> or notched bullets.( just like the current "cop killer" bullet laws now)
>
> On November 10th, 1938 a German diplomat in Paris was shot by a Jewish political
> protester. This event triggered Kristallnacht, the night of broken glass, where
> synagogues and jewish owned businesses all over Germany were pillaged, smashed, and
> burned. At least several hundred Jews were killed. The next day, the new
> Reichsgeletsblatt Waffengelets was issued, and Jews were specifically banned from
> owning any weapons. Ordinary Germans, who were now themselves disarmed, were unable to
> oppose the terrocrat activities of the Gestapo and the Waffen SS troops who helped the
> Nazi party regulars with running Kristallnacht. Thousands of Jews were arrested and
> sent to Concentration camps... you know the rest.
>
> I will submit that this lends great weight to the argument that World War II and the
> Holocaust were able to happen directly because of Germany's gun control laws.
>
> In 1968, Senator Thomas Dodd (father of current Senator Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.)) was
> the chairman of the Subcommittee on Juvinile Delinquency, a subcommittee of the
> Judiciary Committee. Senator Dodd had been a prosecutor at Nuremburg after the war, and
> although it was not a part of any of the cases he handled, he somehow got a copy of the
> Nazi Weapons Law. In 1968 he gave this to a translator at the Legislative Research
> Service to translate into english. It has been conclusively shown
>
Who showed this? The NRA? "Silent Scream" propaganda
transmuted to the gun cause?
>
> that the Gun Control
> Act of 1968, that Senator Dodd's committee submitted to the Senate, was an accurate
> translation of the Nazi Weapons Law, as adapted for our different legal system, and was
> only missing the requirements for a national gun owner registration system and a
> national concealed weapons permit system. It was from the Nazi law that the concept of
> 'sporting purpose' was borrowed (and is now one of the mantras of Handgun Control Inc
> to condemn effective self defense weapons). For 30 years now we have been living under
> Nazi laws in this country.
>
> So Joe Dees, how does it feel to be in the company of the Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan?
> You are, you know.
>
Such epithets are thrown at every prochoice person in America; it
reveals more about the mindset of such accusers (who may indeed
use the spectre of Nazi Germany or slavery to justify right-wing
violence in America) that it does about those whom they attack.
BTW, I see no mention of gender or nationality in the laws that I
have advocated for the US. I do know, however, that a lot of gun
nuts, racists, sexists and antisemites run in the same packs - and
they just ADORE reichean history, don't they, Herr Mike?
>
> Mike Lorrey
>
>