>From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
>Zero Powers wrote:
> > Its not that I don't believe there are such things as victimless crimes
> > (sodomy between consenting adults comes to mind), but when you think
>about
> > the ultimate effect of many so-called victimless crimes, you begin to
>see
> > that society itself is the victim many times.
> >
> > For instance, taking your example of smoking. No one is harmed by the
>fact
> > that you smoke cigarettes, right? Well, even putting aside the obvious
> > problem of second hand smoke, what happens when you come down with
> > emphysema? On the off hand chance that you have sufficient private
> > insurance (or money) to cover your own medical care, then the only
>victims
> > (besides your own stupid self) are those who care about you and suffer
> > seeing you suffering to death.
>
>its been proven quite well by the Veterans Administration studying the
>health care costs of smoking and nonsmoking veterans over their adult
>lives in service and retired that smoking REDUCES total medical
>expenditures.
Got refs for that stat?
> > In the more likely scenario where some form of public insurance is
>needed to
> > supplement your medical care, the victims of your "victimless" crime are
>(1)
> > you, (2) those who care about you, and (3) taxpayers like me who are
>paying
> > for your expensive medical care.
>How does my family financially suffer from my death?
When did I ever say anything about *financial* suffering. I was talking
about the suffering of watching a man that they (presumably) love suffer
with a horrible illness and die a miserable death.
>My family
>deserves NO money from me, get it? Where does it say I am obligated to
>let them inherit anything?
Oh, and *I'm* the fascist?
>For the record, I don't smoke.
Not tobacco, at least.
>From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
>Zero Powers wrote:
> >
> > >From: Lee Daniel Crocker <lee@piclab.com>
> >
> > >If you cooperate with the present US Government to a greater extent
>than
> > >to protect your own safety (i.e. paying to taxes to stay out of jail is
> > >OK, but buying T-Bills is not), you are morally complicit in the
> > >atrocities committed by that government. One MILLION Americans are
> > >rotting in prison having harmed no person or property; armed agents of
> > >the government routinely confiscate billions of dollars worth of
>property
> > >without trial or even accusation; thousands of immigrants are collected
> > >and returned to more oppressive governments; if that's not tyrrany,
>then
> > >what is?
> >
> > Suggestion: go live for a few years in Afghanistan, then a couple more
>years
> > in Iran, then Iraq. Then come back and tell me all about how
>"tyrannical"
> > the US is. No matter how "tyrannical" the US is, they never force you
>to
> > stay if you don't like it. So if its so bad, pick up stakes and go
> > somewhere else. Or is every single nation on the planet a tyranny in
>your
> > eyes?
>
>The US government does not have preemminent right to be here.
What does that mean?
>I did not
>take an oath to protect it, nor have I taken any oath of fealty to it. I
>have not subsumed my rights to it. It exists as consequence of my
>permission, not the other way around, no matter how much you would like
>to beleive.
So, if you decide the US can't stay here, what? It has to go away?
>From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
>Zero Powers wrote:
> >
> > >From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <mike@datamann.com>
> >
> > >BTW, Zero, Mr. Open Society, what's your real name? ;)
> >
> > As I've said before, my birth name is not a secret. It is Michael.
>Zero is
> > only a nick. Nicknames are not incompatible with truth.
>
>Identity is mandatory to recognise truth, as truth is worthless without
>trust. What is your last name? Who are you?
My name (for the I-don't-know-how-manyth time) is Michael Powers.
>What are you hiding?
I am not *hiding* anything.
>Who do
>you work for?
I am self employed.
>Are you a convict?
No.
>Are you a sexual predator?
No.
>Are you a
>fugitive?
No.
>Are you a communist or socialist?
No.
>As Mr. Zero, you opinion has
>an equal amount of credibility: zero.
It will not hurt my feelings if you choose not to give any credence to my
opinions because I go by a nickname (or for any other reason for that
matter). It will also not hurt my feelings in the least if you killfiled me
and never responded to another one of my posts, ever. When I post to this
list I expect my opinions to stand or fall on their own merits, not on who I
am or who people think I am.
>From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <retroman@turbont.net>
>Michael S. Lorrey
>39 Mascoma Street #3
>Lebanon, NH 03766
>(603)448-6990
>
>I've posted this info before, and you've been too much of a spineless
>coward to follow through on your commitment.
I don't recall ever making a committment to you in my life. If my logic
holds, its likely that I never will. If you posted this info to me before,
it was probably during the time that I had you in my killfile.
>Put up or shut up. Post
>your identity, fascist, or else retire from the field for good. I'm all
>for mutuality, mainly because I expect to find out some really
>interesting information when I find out who you really are. The fact
>that you won't disclose this indicates that you know you have something
>to hide, so you are too cowardly to meet your own standard.
Sorry, you can call me a "coward" if you like, but I tell my kids all the
time that it is stupid to give out personal information about yourself to
people you don't know. I think that rule applies equally well to adults as
to kids. I don't know you. I have doubts about your judgment. You,
frankly, seem way too interested in learning as much about me as possible.
To be honest, that concerns me. What little I do know about you does not
incline me in the least to share any personal information with you other
than my name (Michael Powers) and what I have told you about me above. If
this leads you to no longer want to discourse with me, as stated above, I
can live with that. My advice: get yourself a life.
-Zero
"I like dreams of the future better than the history of the past"
--Thomas Jefferson
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