From: Matt Paul (lizardblue@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Nov 30 2009 - 15:27:20 MST
Just so I'm clear here. I'm using dimensions as an example of how
something could be currently unfathomable and yet still real. I'm not
saying the imagination is in another dimension other than the 3 we
consciously work in, I'm saying it could be. It could also just be a
mundane phenomenon we haven't figured out yet. I'm trying to get the
point across that:
Unfathomable != non-existent
And
Unfathomable currently != unfathomable eternally
That's the history of science and mathematics. Why would this have to
be any different?
On Nov 30, 2009, at 3:35 PM, "John K Clark" <johnkclark@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 "Matt Paul" <lizardblue@gmail.com> said:
>
>> You are stuck on this damn soul thing. It's aggravating.
>
> The truth can be painful.
>
>> I don't know why you insist that everyone is stuck in some sort of
>> medival way of thinking.
>
> You're talking about something that the scientific method cannot
> detect
> that is nevertheless of enormous importance, just like the soul. And I
> don't care if these vital signals that make us be us come from
> heaven or
> the eleventh dimension the idea is indistinguishable from a soul. And
> the worse crime of all is that your idea explains absolutely NOTHING,
> not one goddamn thing, it just pushes the problem upstairs just as the
> soul idea does. A dimension is just another direction, how in hell
> can a
> direction that I happen to have not experienced before explain the
> mysteries of existence?
>
>
>> If everything you can't currently measure or detect is just a soul,
>> then why pursue science at all.
>
> You are postulating something that cannot be measure or detected to
> explain something that we're already doing a fine job of explaining
> without it, and to add insult to injury your addition doesn't explain
> anything, you just add another useless layer of complexity.
>
> If you are a fan of the soul let me offer you an alternative,
> information is as close as you can get to the traditional concept of
> the
> soul and still remain within the scientific method. Consider the
> similarities:
>
> The soul is non material and so is information. It's difficult to pin
> down a unique physical location for the soul, and the same is true for
> information. The soul is the essential, must have, part of
> consciousness, exactly the same situation is true for information. The
> soul is immortal and so, potentially, is information.
>
> But there are also important differences too.
>
> A soul is unique but information can be duplicated. The soul is and
> will
> always remain unfathomable, but information is understandable, in
> fact,
> information is the ONLY thing that is understandable. Information
> unambiguously exists, I don't think anyone would deny that, but if the
> soul exists it will never be proven scientifically.
>
>> I think you are pretty damn closed minded
>
> It's good to be open minded, but not so open all your brains fall out.
>
> John K Clark
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