From: Ben Goertzel (ben@webmind.com)
Date: Wed Jun 20 2001 - 20:59:36 MDT
Hi Michael,
Jason can't get his chat bots to be very smart based on the technology
currently underlying them. But *he* may be smart enough to, given a few
years effort, build a real cognitive architecture underlying future versions
of his chat bots. Who knows. there's no real evidence that he's doing this
now, however.
more on Monday when I get back from the business trip I'm about to embark
upon,
ben
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-sl4@sysopmind.com [mailto:owner-sl4@sysopmind.com]On Behalf Of
Michael Korns
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 4:38 PM
To: Ben Goertzel; sl4@sysopmind.com; Peter Voss
Cc: Gilda Cabral
Subject: Re: Real AI
Ben, Peter,
I visited the site. The "Botson" device was certainly just a surface level
chat bot.
How intelligent (i.e.responsive) could Jason get his chat bots? For
instance, how responsive, in a domain (say investing), could his chat bots
get without really being intelligent?
Most chat bot technology is very brittle even when restricted to a domain
of expertise.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Goertzel
To: sl4@sysopmind.com ; Michael Korns
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Real AI
I know that group well; it's a small team, housed in a mansion in
Israel,
headed by my friend (sort of) Jason Hutchens. Jason was a grad student
in
perth when I was a research fellow there. he's a world-class chat bot
builder, but in my view is not a very serious thinker about cognition,
pattern recognition, etc. his approach is very behavioral -- he wants
to
make a series of chat bots that will sequentially emulate older and
older
human children, until he gets one that passes the Turing test. He
relies
heavily on statistical, Markov-chain-type learning methods. I like his
stuff but unless he's undertaken a radical revision of the conceptual
foundatiosn of his work, I think it's very unlikely he'll build a system
with much real intelligence.
Ben
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-sl4@sysopmind.com [mailto:owner-sl4@sysopmind.com]On
Behalf
> Of Peter Voss
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:55 AM
> To: sl4@sysopmind.com; Michael Korns
> Subject: Real AI
>
>
> Somebody else is trying to do Real AI: http://www.a-i.com/
>
> It's worth looking at.
>
> www.optimal.org - Any and all feedback welcome: peter@optimal.org
>
>
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