Re: SOC: Tractatus Theopoliticus (was: Is vs. Ought)

From: Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (sentience@pobox.com)
Date: Sat Nov 27 1999 - 17:06:42 MST


Damien Broderick wrote:
>
> >the more I think
> >about it, the more I wonder if I'm asking the right questions.
>
> Not before time, Grasshopper.

...but rest assured that I still know, as I've known for the last five
years, that everyone else's views on this subject are shot through with
logical flaws. I can't ever recall someone saying to me: "You know, I
don't claim to know the ultimate answers on this subject, but your
answers are obviously wrong because..." Everyone who says I'm wrong
claims to know all they need to know about morality. Even you, Damien.

Where's the courage to build a philosophy based on discovering morality,
instead of claiming to have it? Where is the spirit of science? Where
is the quest for truth?

> It seems to me that your ambition of finding an `objective or external
> morality' is based on a bafflingly simple error. You are seeking a
> teleological answer in a non-teleological cosmic substrate.

To me the question is not "Do goals exist?" but "Can goals exist?" If
the cosmic substrate can construct cognitive events as ontological
matter (qualia), can it construct teleologies? The question deserves investigation.

Eliezer.

PS: Actually, I dimly recall that Mitchell Porter challenged my 1996
claim that "the Powers would be ethical" on the grounds that my
conception of ethics was anthropomorphic, a conclusion I later came to myself.

-- 
           sentience@pobox.com          Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
        http://pobox.com/~sentience/tmol-faq/meaningoflife.html
Running on BeOS           Typing in Dvorak          Programming with Patterns
Voting for Libertarians   Heading for Singularity   There Is A Better Way


This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Fri Nov 01 2002 - 15:05:52 MST