Re: No Singularity?

From: John Clark (jonkc@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Tue Nov 16 1999 - 10:54:27 MST


Geoff Smith <geoffs@interchange.ubc.ca>

> Have any singularitans drafted a critique of the following site?
> http://www.geniebusters.org/
> It's a well written essay, I have some problems with some of his
> points(especially with regards to AI vs. human intelligence), but in
> general it's a very well-reasoned argument.

I've debated with Lyle Burkhead <lybrhed@earthlink.net> a great deal
about this and I really don't think his position is entirely consistent. Back
in March, soon after his geniebusters web page went on line, he was on
this list giving all his reasons why there would be no singularity, but
then Lyle said the following which seemed to contradict all he said before:

>hang on for another 20 or 30 years, *and* if you affiliate yourself
>with the right group, it won't be necessary to die at all. [...]
>We are heading for one of the great extinction events in the history
>of this planet, probably the greatest extinction event in the last 200
>million years.

I agree with that but was a bit dumbfounded by the juxtaposition. I wrote
" If extinction for most and the permanent elimination of death for a few
  is not big enough to be called a singularity or a discontinuity in human
  affaires, then I don't what is. Death is the most constant framework in
  all of civilization, if that ends I don't know what will happen but I do know
  things will be different, very very different." He made some sort of
  response to my comment but for the life of me I can't remember what it
  was, if it was enlightening I know I would have.

        John K Clark jonkc@att.net



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