From: Bryan Moss (bryan.moss@dial.pipex.com)
Date: Tue Oct 12 1999 - 09:04:42 MDT
Robert J. Bradbury wrote:
> Sorry Brian, use of the word "isolated" was poor choice.
> I'm refering to deaf people who are not otherwise trained
> to sign (say in a culture where "signs" are not known).
> They will invent a "unique" sign language.
Ah, I had images of deaf mutes being locked in basements by
cruel parents.
> You could go a step lower and look at human ability to
> read "faces" or wolves or chimps ability to read
> "postures" as expressions of emotion (or intent).
I've often wondered how 'hardwired' this ability is. Try
looking at a photograph of a person and then mimicking their
facial expression/posture; it tends to effect your emotional
state. You'll often see a person mimic the facial
expressions of a friend who is suffering emotional trauma
(or simply laughing). So I'm thinking the links between
emotion and expression are two-way, emotion causes
expression but expression also causes emotion. This would
mean there's no need to recognise specific patterns (eg, the
ability to recognise pain and pleasure is not hardcoded).
> I suspect our ability to communicate evolved from a two-
> fold selection pressure -- friend or foe determination and
> communicating complex "learned" software.
Perhaps the most obvious pressure is to extend ability,
gesturing for someone to pass the chicken. And, of course,
telling people to run for their lives.
> But I think I would generally agree with Eliezer, that at
> least in 2 respects (a) low level emotions/fundamental
> "drives" and (b) the ability of our senses to select
> features and/or assemble patterns is pretty hardwired.
The story's obvious - brains will be similar enough to screw
up every concept of individuality with have, but different
enough to make memory transfer a real challenge.
> [...]
> So it will be very interesting to see *what* I get if my
> brain can be induced to "play" patterns produced by Steven
> Hawking's brain.
My guess would be a headache.
> There you go, I've just convinced myself that there may be
> a really good reason not to go take all the courses I
> didn't particularly like to get a degree -- it will be so
> much simpler to buy the associated knowledge/patterns in
> the future.
In that case I'm going back to bed, I can get those 'did
something useful' memories later.
[I've spent the day using Windows 2000 Beta 3 and managed to
keep myself amused for several hours watching the menus fade
in and out, so I have been productive after all.]
BM
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