From: Anders Sandberg (asa@nada.kth.se)
Date: Mon Sep 20 1999 - 10:10:03 MDT
Ken Clements <Ken@InnovationOnDmnd.com> writes:
I see enlightenment as breaking through the simulation that
> produces the Self, and BEING the underlying machine. This is the big step,
> but once made, it is simple to see that the machine does not exist in a
> vacuum, but is an extension of the processes of the Universe, or just a place
> where a tiny fragment of the Universe "sticks out." Seeing yourself as the
> tip of an iceberg that is the Universe, makes it easier to move the line
> where you stop and everything else begins to wider and wider circles until
> you achieve the ultimate Zen goal.
I found it interesting when I read _The Journey to the West_ that the
Monkey King was referred to as a Zen master (beside already being a
Taoist master, king and just about everything else; if he had been a
character in a roleplaying game I would have said that his player was
a power-gamer :-). He is almost the epitome of ambition and often acts
impulsively, hardly the conventional image of the Zen master. But at
the same time he is always breaking out of old limitations like being
just a monkey, mortality, inability to change form and not being part
of the pantheon - instead he does everything he can to become
enlightened, immortal, divine and powerful, never stopping for long in
his ambitions. The only time he really stopped before a limit was when
he made the bet with Buddha about jumping to the end of the world -
and that was his undoing. Had he really gone *beyond* the apparent
limit he would have suceeded.
As I have said before, I really like that character and consider him a
kind of transhumanist saint.
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Anders Sandberg Towards Ascension! asa@nada.kth.se http://www.nada.kth.se/~asa/ GCS/M/S/O d++ -p+ c++++ !l u+ e++ m++ s+/+ n--- h+/* f+ g+ w++ t+ r+ !y
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Fri Nov 01 2002 - 15:05:13 MST