From: Robert J. Bradbury (bradbury@www.aeiveos.com)
Date: Wed Aug 04 1999 - 01:49:13 MDT
> paul@i2.to wrote:
Minor request...
Unless I go back and read the early messages in this thread,
I can never remember what IA's or CRNS stand for...
If you happen to be a fast typist and the thread run time
is long could you from time to time expand the acronyms?
> Eli, you want to create an SI before nanotech destroys
> everything.
This unlikey to happen. Nanotech creates the SI.
We can create an SI without Nanotech (10^24 Merced+'s
sucking up the Sun's power output), but it requires
either (a) A government program to build self-replicating
non-nanoscale manufacturing plants or (b) a very long
time because it is going to take most of the Si in Venus
to build the computronium. Planetary dismantlement goes
*slow* without nanotech.
> People like Den Otter, Max More and myself want
> to IA ourselves to singularity before the SI's destroy us!
An interesting question would be -- Since if SI's exist
they certainly could have destroyed us already, they either
don't exist or have an interest in not destroying us.
If they have an interest in not destroying us, then it
may be because they have a desire in seeing us "grow up"
as a "good" SI. The *question* then becomes is a "good"
SI one that embraces its former "humanity" and uploads
everyone or one that leaves behind the passions of
lesser creatures to become one of pure logic or thought?
Which ever case is true, since the SIs have the power to
enforce their "perogative", it doesn't matter *squat*
which of those alternatives you prefer.
> What makes you think you can close the gap between
> assembler and SI any sooner than we can close the gap
> between SI and uploading?
This I can answer. The assembler is the hard step.
You go from nothing to SI level (10^25x a brain) in
a few weeks to a few months. With that much simulation
capacity, I have to believe uploads will be figured
out very quickly. There would have to be a *huge*
investment into creating the hardware to do uploading from
our handicapped brains into suboptimal hardware and perhaps
a "go slow" mandate on building the SI to get uploading
before we get an SI.
Now, it just may be the case that if the chemists get
self-assembling molecular electronic computers to work
*before* a true diamondoid nanoassembler gets built that
the situation will be reversed. In that case, you can
build hardware enough to upload, without the ability
to easily turn a the solar system into an SI.
In summary:
Molec. Electronic Computing before Diamondoid Nanoassembler:
==> Uploading before SI
Diamondoid Nanoassembler before Molec. Electronic Computing:
==> SI before uloading
It is interesting, that the development of these paths could
easily be different from civilization to civilization and
that could have very interesting consequences for SI personalities
and perspectives.
Robert
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