From: Joe E. Dees (joedees@bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri May 28 1999 - 18:36:16 MDT
Date sent: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:53:43 -0400
From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <mike@lorrey.com>
Organization: http://lorrey.com http://artlocate.com
To: extropians@extropy.com
Subject: Re: Guns [was Re: property Rights]
Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
> "Joe E. Dees" wrote:
> <rude and violent curses removed>
>
> >
> > I said that I wanted laws passed that would deny gun ownership to:
> >
> > 1) VIOLENT CRIMINALS
> >
> > 2) THE MENTALLY DEFICIENT AND/OR DERANGED
> >
> > 3) SPOUSE AND/OR CHILD ABUSERS
> >
> > 4) CHILDREN
> >
> > END OF LIST!
> >
> > READ IT! SAVE IT TO YOUR HARD DISK! BRONZE IT!
> > MEMORIZE IT! STOP MISQUOTING AND MISREPRESENTING
> > IT!
>
> Now that we have you set in stone, please further define what each category means.
> 1) Are violent criminals: a) murderers b) rapists c) muggers, or are they: d) been
> in a car accident, e) spanked their children in public f) a woman who slapped a man
> for a rude comment.
>
A, B &C.
>
> 2) What minimum IQ do you need to no be considered mentally dificient? Do we go by
> the Soviet mental health system, where anyone who disagrees with the politically
> correct party line is obviously mentally deranged (as things seem to rapidly be
> moving here anyways)?
>
Someone who is judged to be a danger to themselves or others (I
had the scary job of relieving a friend of mine of his S&W when he
suddeny became psychotic during a camping trip. None of us
knew beforehand that he was schizophrenic and had spent several
stretches in institutions, but his family knew - he still had the gun,
and shouldn't have).
>
> 3) What is the standard of action and evidence for spousal and child abuse? What is
> the burden of proof and due process?
>
If one has been convicted of either, that should be it. People
should also be required to relinquish their weapons while a pending
case is before the court, (the most likely time for a spouse abuser
to resort to murder-suicide), but they should be returned upon
acquittal. People against whom a peace bond has been taken out
should not be anywhere around their spouse anyway, but if they
show a propensity to ignore/violate court restrictions, the guns
should be confiscated for the spouse's safety.
>
> 4) So when the AARP lobbies to raise the age of majority to 35, they you agree that
> everyone younger must give up their guns?
>
No, I think that the age in which one may be drafted to pull a trigger
for one's country is a good benchmark here.
>
> Rather than pushing these standards as laws that can obviously be manipulated and
> changed at the whim of the current media/PR pressure, will you push these as a
> proposed Constitutional Amendment as they should be?
>
Amendments to the 2nd ideally, but laws to save lives in the
interim.
>
> If not, then your standards are illegal and unconstitutional.
>
So was helping slaves to escape or women to vote, practice
contraception or own property, once upon a time.
>
> Mike Lorrey
>
>
>
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