From: EWyatt794@aol.com
Date: Thu May 27 1999 - 14:15:03 MDT
In a message dated 5/27/99 3:58:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
joedees@bellsouth.net writes:
<< > The problem with banning guns is, ultimately, that one's life is one's
> responsibility to support and defend. Just as one ought to be free to make
a
> living ( a basically libertarian premise) one also ought to be free to
> *protect* that life. And so long as there exists a threat of a forceful
> attack on oneself, it is quite prudent to have the means to protect your
> life.
>
And both removing guns from the hands of the irresponsible (violent
criminals, the mentally deficient and/or deranged, children, spouse
and/or child abusers) and preventing them from arriving there is a
reasonable, rational and prudent life-protection measure to take.>>
My point was made from an individualistic standpoint. An individual takes
action for an individual's life. Laws are not individual action, they are
systematic violence (as I thinkwas pointed out previously). I do agree that
it is bad when the category of people you write get guns....but I definitely
disagree with your methods (law).
<<
> Finally, besides personal responsibility and central inefficiency, I think
> that thinking that one can legislate virtue in a populace is incorrect. A
> society emerges from a group of people, and a virtuous society emerges
from a
> group of virtuous citizens. Its a "bottom-up" phenomenon, not a "top-down"
> one.
>
Not to indulge in ad populum too much, but the restrictions I have
advocated would be law if we had a direct vote on them, since the
majority of voters support them. Next, although I wasn't the one
who brought the "people" up, I expect to hear all about the tyranny
of the majority, while hearing not a peep about the danger of one's
future being erased by a crazed minority of one. >>
Voting is not an example of an emergent phenomenon. Voting is the tyranny
that you mention. what I was trying to say was that virtue is what people
choose to do. One can only have a virtuous society when the people choose to
be virtuous.
The danger of "one's future being erased by a crazed minority of one" is
something I am *deeply* concerned about. In fact, I try to be concerned about
my future being erased by *anything*. I think the best way to protect my life
is to *protect* my life. I think that finding good ivestments to avoid my
savings from being eaten away by inflation protects my life. I think exercise
and good nutrition protects my life. And I think owning a gun protects my
life.
I am sypathetic to your concerns about danger from guns; they are very
dangerous things. I happen to think guns are very scary (though I expect this
will lessen considerably once I learn how to use them). But ( to be cliched)
I find being unarmed in the face of armed assailants *much* more scary. And I
wish to avoid that situation.
William
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