From: eleusyan@speedchoice.com
Date: Mon Apr 05 1999 - 05:23:00 MDT
On Sun, 04 Apr 1999 12:00:18 -0400, you wrote:
[big time snip]
>Unincorporated US territories are completely under federal law, as they
>are federal trust territories. PR gets tax preferences as a bribe to
>stay in association with us and for no other reason. They also have a
>special 'commonwealth' status that our other territories do not enjoy.
>If they had to pay taxes to the gringos they would have been gone a long
>time ago.
Ah, Mr. Lorrey, we could amicably debate this one for a while.
Not every US constitutional provision applies to Puerto Rico.
Specifically (though not exclusively), the Second Amendment has been
found not to apply to Puerto Rico. Any provisions regarding "states"
are likewise inapplicable. Openly espousing and laboring for the local
equivalent of "secession" isn't a crime in that island, a very
different story from incorporated states. And not all block grant
funds are available to their government.
Puerto Rico was never a trust territory: it's spoils from the
Spanish-American War.
The Northern Marianas now enjoy a commonwealth status similar to
Puerto Rico's.
Puerto Rican statehooders are seeking full admission into the Union.
However, leaders have historically told their followers that they
would be exempt from paying taxes (Can you believe the gall of the
leaders... and the gumption of the followers?) They've been told
recently that, since Puerto Rico's tax rates are IDENTICAL to federal
ones, they'd simply deduct their taxes, add the Earned Income Credit
and come out clean.
Conversely, they could simply deduct their federal taxes from the
state taxes and spare themselves the double whammy. I gather in this
setup San Juan would simply mooch every last penny of its bloated
wastrel budget from Washington. Obviously, a pipe dream.
The point is that they're used to paying the same ridiculous federal
rates we suffer on the mainland, although they enjoy a few more
deductions.
Most Puerto Ricans are too fond of their US citizenship to let go. The
independentists stand for assorted flavors of socialism, something
that sits ill in light of Cuba's experience. But most of them are also
too fond of their own culture, which many of them feel would be
jeopardized under statehood (funny, it hasn't vanished in the last 100
years of American sovereignty). Add that to a corrupt pro-statehood
government and breakaway defeatism among the independentist ranks,
plus generalized outrage at the format of the last referendum, and you
can see why commonwealthers were successful in garnering a majority
vote under the "none of the above" option last Xmas and once again
dodged the status issue.
>From what I've observed, our concepts of transhumanism and extropy
would meet with some stunned minds over there: technological change is
readily embraced by highly educated postwar generations in the island;
but the notion of self-rule in all aspects of life would simply meet
some resistance and take a long time to register. Government looms
much larger in that island than stateside: their atrocious economy
makes over 30% of their workforce dependent on goverment jobs.
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And so, we will keep looking for a viable and affordable earthbound
site for this vessel... Perhaps it will require nothing else than
"sovereignty" for this vessel to succeed, by which I mean either an
existing sponsor country (as mentioned by the originator of this
thread) or creating a new "country" to be acknowledged internationally
adn help stave off destructive raids.
A. Eleusyan
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