From: mark@unicorn.com
Date: Fri Feb 05 1999 - 04:05:52 MST
NetSurfer [netsurf@sersol.com] wrote:
>First off laws which allow for the prosecution of businesses which
>advertise via spam has absolutely *nothing* to do with encryption or
>anonymity with the exception that the use of falsified headers IN SPAM is
>treated as the fraud it is.
So spam sent through anonymous remailers will be totally legal because
the remailer puts a 'real' email address on the message? Spam from 'real'
email addresses will be totally legal? Gee, that will really reduce the
amount of spam I get.
>Well the law has been in place for a number
>of years, and has upheld on appeals, and you are still able to practice
>your freedom of speech (except by sending unsolicited faxes to people) and
>you still have anonymity
Duh, that law requires every fax to include a valid telephone number that
it was sent from. It *bans* fax anonymity. Get a clue sometime.
>This is simply anti-theft and anti-netabuse legislation. If you are not
>stealing from people and hijacking other peoples mail servers and network
>feeds you have nothing to fear.
Bullshit. Anyone who wants anonymity and privacy on the Net has everything
to fear from fanatics like you and Mike. If spam is legal when sent through
anonymous remailers then spammers will just use them. If it's not, then
anonymous remailers will be shut down completely and utterly, and there
will be no more anonymity on the Net.
>Talk to the owners of the ISP's who have
>had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars just to protect their
>networks from the criminals and ask them what they think of spamming and
>about laws to curb it.
As far as I'm aware, I'm the only person on this list who's had to waste
days dealing with spammer attacks on his domain. And I'm the one who's
arguing against rabid, abusive anti-spam laws. You just don't seem to
have a clue as to what you're asking for.
>I prefer
>arguments of logic rather than insulting the people I'm carrying on a
>dialogue with - its much more effective.
Then give us some logic. Answer some questions. Stop making assertions
which have no basis in reality. And stop claiming that you're the good
guys and we're supporting the "evil" spammers, when you're trying to
enforce a police state on the Net. Erase the anti-spam fanatic memes
from your head and start dealing with reality.
Mark
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