From: Joe E. Dees (jdees0@students.uwf.edu)
Date: Mon Dec 14 1998 - 13:41:12 MST
Date sent: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 05:32:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Terry Donaghe <tdonaghe@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The Education Function
To: extropians@extropy.com
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> ---"Joe E. Dees" <jdees0@students.uwf.edu> wrote:
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> > Date sent: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:30:23 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Terry Donaghe <tdonaghe@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: The Education Function
> > To: extropians@extropy.com
> > Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
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> > > ---Emmanuel Charpentier <manu@cybercable.fr> wrote:
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> > > > Terry Donaghe wrote:
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> > > > > I further posit that there are no services "inappropriate or
> > > > > impossible" for the private market to provide. Please list
> > > examples.
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> > > > I think the difference capitalism/socialism is about
> > > > competition/cooperation. And there might be times when nationwide
> > > > cooperation is necessary. War time? Fight against disease? Talks
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> > > > other groups of people?
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> > > > So, I go for a government that would primarily have two
> > > > responsibilities: defense and diplomacy. Or do you think
> enterprises
> > > > could manage that too???
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> > > > Manu.
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> > > What use is diplomacy without governments? Who do you negotiate
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> > > when you're looking at a continent full of sovereign individuals?
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> > > Defense can and should be provided by the free market system.
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> > > I contend that no form of government can exist that is moral - since
> > > government rely on coercive means to raise money (i.e. theft) they
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> > > immoral - evil.
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> > > Since there can be no moral governments, then there should be no
> > > governments. Support of government = support of theft and violence.
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> > After you overthrow all the foreign governments and install your
> > dictatorship of the individual there so we have no foreign threats,
> > come talk to us. Until then, Realpolitik takes precedence over your
> > particular utopianism. Joe
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> Why bother with other governments? Just reduce the size of our
> current government replacing its functions with private solutions
> until it (the government) is irrelevant. Then, we'll have a private
> defense provider (or providers) which will protect the land mass.
> Without government we'll no longer be subject to terrorism.
Then Osama Bin Ladin, Theodore Kaczynski, Sheik Omar Abdul-
Rahman, Rob't Rudolph, James KoppTim McVeigh and all the rest
are government agents? Hardly. As long as minds can sicken,
terrorists, like the poor, will always be with us. Joe
Without
> government intervention our economy will become much stronger, far
> surpassing today's dominance of the planet. Just as peoples around
> the world began to demand "democracies" similar to our own during the
> industrial revolution, so to will peoples demand a lack of government
> when they see the jump in the standard of living we will experience.
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> I know it's a far fletched idea, but that does not remove the fact
> that support of coercive government is equivalent with support of
> violence against individuals. That, I contend is counterproductive to
> transhumanism and not at all in harmony with Extropianism as I
> understand it.
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> Terry Donaghe: terry@donaghe.com
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