From: Terry Donaghe (tdonaghe@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Dec 07 1998 - 13:12:03 MST
---Samael <samael@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Remember, the free market ALWAYS provides better solutions to
problems
> >>>than the government.
> >>
> >>
> >>Except for those people too poor to get onto the circuit inthe first
> place.
> >>
> >>Samael
> >
> >
> >Government worsens the problem of people too poor to get onto the
circuit
> in
> >the first place by encouraging them to reproduce at taxpayer expense.
>
> The government's doing that?????? Really?????
Of course they do - the more children a family on welfare has, the
larger of a welfare check the family gets. Plenty of young unwed
mothers attempt to have many children just to get a larger check. The
children usually suffer.
>
>
> > People
> >too poor to get onto the circuit in the first place have too much
time on
> >their hands, and consequently have too many kids, which amplifies the
> >problem in the last place.
>
> So educate them. Get them onto the circuit and then let them get on
with
> it.
>
When the government attempts to educate it must use tax money stolen
from wage earners.
> > The free market provides a better solution by discouraging the very
> poorest from having children.
>
>
> Or at least making sure that those children never get an education,
leaving
> a convenient underclass to do all the dirty work.
>
The government creates the underclass as a convenient voting block.
Socialist governments (including the US) offer a clear incentive for
people to be poor. By providing a guaranteed subsistence to anyone -
regardless of whether they're willing to work or not, the government
is basically paying people not to work.
> >If the free market did *not* always provide better solutions, it
would not
> >be necessary for governments to maintain military forces to threaten
> >violence against any who disagree with government's "solutions"
(which
> >haven't solved anything in the whole sad history of the race, but
which
> have
> >produced monumental problems such as weapons of mass destruction).
>
>
> Gosh, now there's a slightly one-sided view of things. The free
market
> generally provides the best solution, but government is dead handy
for avoid
> ing things like monopolies, unfair trade, police, armies, contract
laws,
> basic research (although, thankfully the free makret is moving into
this
> area), welfare and (in my case) socialised medicine (which means
that if I
> break a leg I'm not penalised for doing it while broke).
>
Government provides nothing useful. "Monopolies" that are created
without coercion (favorite tool of government) are not bad things.
I'm not sure what unfair trade is - must be something the government
does. Socialised Medicine?????? That's a good thing? That's insane.
Remember - all forms of socialism are grounded in violence - the
coercion required to steal money from wage earners.
I suppose you either support the use of violence for solving
social/political problems (not very Extropian) or you don't. There is
no way for government to function without coercion (violence) -
therefore, I don't see much need for government at all.
I suggest you acquire a copy of "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry
Hazlitt. I think you may find it an eye-opening experience.
> But this isn't a political forum, so I'll leave it there.
>
Stopping entropy (what we're all about) requires us all to rethink our
political views as well as philosophical and technological.
==
----------------------
Terry Donaghe: terry@donaghe.com
Individual, Anarcho-Capitalist, Environmentalist, Transhumanist, Mensan
The Millennium Bookshelf: <http://www.donaghe.com/mbookshelf.htm>
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