Re: Extropian Principles 3.0: Final (?) version now up

From: J. Maxwell Legg (income@ihug.co.nz)
Date: Mon Oct 26 1998 - 16:59:58 MST


Robin Hanson wrote:
>
> Investment capital does not imply "money." Capital is anything
> that aids in production. Investment is using capital to make
> more capital, rather than helping people to "consume." The
> supply of investment capital is capital that those who control
> it are willing use to invest, rather than consume. The demand
> for capital is the investment projects that are available.
>
> We can say that there won't be much investment if those who
> control capital insist it all be used to help consumption.
> Similarly, investment won't do much good if there aren't
> projects available which have a decent change of producing
> more capital. We can say these things and more without
> invoking concepts of money, markets, or prices.
>
> >Nigel says: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~online/transact/
> >... heralding a new transaction-
> >based economic system managed by a bevy of global
> >artificial intelligence engines.
>
> If those AI engines help us produce more, they are
> "capital."
>

Robin, until other mechanisms for managing the flow of information
are produced then all measurements of capital become hostage to the
current accounting concepts of capitalism, i.e., orders, invoices,
statements, profit & loss, balance sheets, etc. There is no escaping
this and no amount of hiding behind behind text books will convince
me that your terms are anything but obfuscation. The only way to
break this hold over terminology is to explicitly deny the case for
double entry bookkeeping and start a new information paradigm with
a new set of terms.

I understand your goodwill in trying to divorce investment capital
from money but you don't stress any alternative to a zero based money
system. For example under my concept of a public AI the data spaces
that would be allocated to create meaning would not be arbitrarily
managed so as to restrict the supply of meaningful fractal
relationships.
There also would not be a form of trading data spaces so that certain
meanings would get more space at the expense of others. This trading
is implicit in your definition of investment capital.



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