From: Randall Randall (wolfkin@phonetech.com)
Date: Sun Oct 25 1998 - 01:57:13 MDT
Shaun wrote:
> Eliezer wrote:
> >
> >By the year 2050 at the absolute latest (assuming no civilization-destroying
> >wars) I expect that there will be nothing recognizably mortal, much less
> >human, in our Solar System. It's a matter of positive feedback.
>
> Out of curiosity, what parameters are you basing this hypothesis on?
> True, technological progress is being manifested at a rapidly quickening
> pace, but the moral mindset of this planet's human habitat is generally
> stubborn, pessimistic and myopic. Given the opportunity of "right here,
> right now" transcendence into a higher form, it is doubtful that every
> single mortal would want to upload. There is far to much human stigma.
Dunno what Eliezer would say, but here's my two cents:
Yes, it is unlikely that the greater part of humanity will
ever upload. However, the extraordinary conpetitiveness of
even fast human level intelligence (say, faster by a factor
of 10) will mean that if a small percentage of transhumans
intend to compete for the Earth's resources, some other
transhumans and all humans will lose. IOW, upload or else.
> Furthermore, the assumption that technology will have progressed *that* far
> in the next fifty years is not an extrapolation that I would care to gamble
> on. Though I would honestly love for this claim to be true, my optimism
> wanes in the face of my realism. Show me good, hard, *tangible* evidence
> for your hypothesis and I will probably believe it as well.
The only technology required for that assumption is nanotech,
and that seems to only be 5-20 years away. Curiously, the
people most knowledgeable about nanotech predict the shortest
times until we have it (e.g. Zyvex' website claims that they
will have an assembler within 5-10 years). If so, and if
the resulting machine is replicating, then posthumans could
exist within weeks of that point.
Wolfkin.
wolfkin@phonetech.com
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