From: Randall R Randall (rrandall6@juno.com)
Date: Thu Jul 16 1998 - 00:47:00 MDT
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On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:56:48 -0700 (PDT) John K Clark <johnkc@well.com>
writes:
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>If you read my memories you would certainly have a subjective experience
of
>some sort, but if you exclude behavior can you give me one scrap of
evidence
>that you were reading my mind correctly and your feelings were anything
like
>my subjective experience? If you don't want to exclude behavior then
the
>Turing Test works.
If what you say you were thinking matches what
I remember you thinking, the we can safely assume
that you were thinking that, I think. :) This takes it a
step beyond Turing Tests.
> >as that is the only way such a memory could be produced.
>That part is certainly untrue, all the memories from my childhood could
have
>been produced by nano machines 5 minutes ago.
Yes; I should have said, "produced in the human brain".
> >I only have to *know* that you thought about being conscious,
which
> >is the same as being conscious.
>
>Actually, except when I'm arguing Philosophy on The Extropian List I
seldom
>think about being conscious.
The important thing is that you can consider it.
> >But if no one died, who is that dead guy?
>
>I don't see any dead guy, I just see a bunch of nasty looking
>protoplasm.
I'm sorry to hear that.
> >Did the consciousness inside him magically jump to the other
> >John Clark and combine with it?
>
>It didn't have to jump because if consciousness has a spatial location,
which
>is doubtful, it's certainly not where the brain is but where the senses
are.
Any *particular* consciousness *must* have a
spatial location. To say that it does not is the
same as saying that it doesn't exist at all.
>The brain by itself has no way of detecting position, or time for that
>matter.
Not position, yes, but I can order my memories
by "first" and "last", without any sensory data, so
it can detect time.
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