Re: ATOMISM: Crackpot Theory

From: Ian Goddard (igoddard@erols.com)
Date: Mon Mar 16 1998 - 12:09:39 MST


Anton Sherwood (dasher@netcom.com) wrote:

>What is a crackpot? A crackpot might be one who misunderstands a
>generally-accepted theory and, by virtue of that misunderstanding,
>claims to find a fatal flaw in it.

 IAN: I believe that the misunderstanding
 is all yours, for you have clearly failed
 to evidence such on my part. Here are two
 examples of definitions of "identity," which
 restrict what "identity" is to "same as" (I
 have yet to find a popular definition con-
 trary to this standard):

  IDENTITY a statement that two mathematical states
  are euqal for all values of their variables. [1]

  IDENTITY 1. exactly the same, as in same houses; a
  relation of complete and absolute sameness or resem-
  blance between two things... 2. ...a meaning relation
  that remains the same in our application of it... 3.
  neither 1. nor 2., but a relation of sameness... [2]

 ___________________________________________
 [1] Penguin Dictionary of Mathematics.
 [2] Harper Collins Dictionary of Philosophy.

 If "identity" is "same as," then if I am different
 than everything, I have no identity. The definition
 of "identity" as "same as" is a total confusion as
 to the nature of what identity IS. To the absolute
 contrary, "identity" is "different than." Minus
 difference is minus identity, and therefore to
 define identity based upon the similarity of a
 thing with itself is an error and irrational.

 The difference between A and A is null, is zero,
 and thus the statement "A=A" is a null statement.
 Identity is 100% holistic and 0% atomistic, and
 thus, a 100% atomistic definition is 100% false.

>> and since nobody has ever been able to show
>> a single example where this claim is true
>> -- showing A being A free from any associa-
>> tion to not-A --

>-- which is not an element of that or any other definition of
>identity that I've ever come across --

  IAN: Well I don't know what definitions
  your reading, but even the Three Laws of
  Thought -- (1) A is A (2) A is not both A
  and not-A (3) A is A or not-A -- could not
  more clearly define the "identity" of A as
  being 100% exclusive to A, which is false.

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