Garbage

From: Rick Knight (rknight@platinum.com)
Date: Thu Jul 24 1997 - 10:07:07 MDT


     Hal Finney wrote:
     
     There are larger implications. By filling the list with stupid ideas,
     we will attract the kind of people who like such things. It's a fact
     of life on the net: quality attracts quality, and the opposite is true
     as well. Ultimately the goal of comments like Perry's is to encourage
     the kinds of discussions that will attract and keep the many fine
     thinkers the list has had.
     
     Rick Knight responds:
     
     Not good enough argument to compel me. There've been voluminous
     threads written about F111 planes (stemmed of Roswell thread I
     believe) and the correlation between our mechanics problems and that
     of an interstellar craft. Geez! Talk about a stretch of the
     imagination! Oh but wait, there's some technical relevance there.
     
     I think the controlling mentality is not justified...not yet. There
     is plenty of quality material on this and as Forrest Gump would say
     "Stupid is as stupid does." If unworthy posters are attracted to this
     mail list, it is unlikely just by coincidence. Either they WANT to
     learn and be educated or the appeal of extropian values/thinking
     extends to the less-scientific, more sensational science
     fiction-oriented mind. Me thinks a little o' both.
     
     The best defense is a good offense: filter your mail. This digest is
     cumbersome for me and I haven't the time to thoroughly read most of
     it, particularly when ideas drift off into semantical offshoots that
     essentially begin other topics. But I deal.
     
     While I feel Perry M. has a right to be annoyed about whatever he
     wants in regards to this list, allowing for questionable posts that
     don't explicitly offend or harrass does seem to be one of the costs of
     a forum where free expression of ideas are encouraged, even wacky
     ones.
     
     I think there are ways of curtailing the zanier notions without
     resorting to elitist and overtly-critical tactics. It is my feeling
     that quite often, a person with a gripe about one thing has a spur
     somewhere else. E-mail lists are impersonal enough without resorting
     to such imperious grandstanding. I would think that it would be a
     near "prime directive" of an Extropian to not let the petty social
     foils of our culture interfere with the exchange of information, even
     if they don't agree with it.
     
     By virtue of the discussion this thread has caused, people like Danny
     could well be credited as an impetus for enabling us to look at what
     triggers are desire to control, curtail and otherwise thwart
     cooperative effort. I for one am not clutching my pearls in panic
     that the poles are going to shift in less than 3 years. But if it
     came out tomorrow that it was, I think it would be utterly fascinating
     from a scientific as well as sociological standpoint!
     
     For a brief moment when pouring through that thread, I asked myself
     "what would you do if you only had 3 years left?" It was a great
     self-exploration for me. To that end, scientific "garbage" or not, it
     provided value! I look at the subjective "I" as well the objective
     "it" (as Ken Wilber would say).
     
     Rick



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