From: Guru George (gurugeorge@sugarland.idiscover.co.uk)
Date: Fri Apr 11 1997 - 16:14:53 MDT
On Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:01:07 +0200
"ard" <rbrown@smb.sams.ch> wrote:
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> Since most religions are founded on the teachings of mystics, the
>"exploitation" is understandable, especially when the original teacher
>moves on and the control-oriented people take over.
> If the mystical experience is "part of our natural cognitive state", then
>it would serve us to explore the experience more fully, would it not;
>especially considering the obvious "reprogramming" that seems to occur with
>most of those who report having the experience, including NDE?
Yes, we need to explore the experience more fully; that's what I'm
saying.
>
>Believe me, there is *nothing* like that experience; even
>> > psychedelics give merely a weedy little echo of the 'cosmicness' of
>it.
>> > And I think that sentient beings who *lived* from that perspective
>could
>> > be immensely powerful and joyful creatures. Easily able to re-program
>> > themselves, to morph, etc. - in fact, Transhuman!)
>
> "Believe me, there is nothing like that experience;..." ...Of course; but
>that can be said of many expeiences, can it not?
It can be said of *every* experience, depending on the 'grain' of one's
experience. But there are experiences and experiences, there are stars
and then there are STARS.
> "...immensely powerful..."...When the need for power disappears, then all
>power is realized, right? Isn't the striving for power an indication of
>fear and the need to control?
The dog barks, the flower grows. Power is a natural expression - every
entity that exists is trying to "remake reality closer to the heart's
desire". It simply canot be avoided. From one point of view life is
just a game, with winners and losers. If there is no game, then
everything is the same. That is the desired goal for the suffering one,
but the sorted one realises that the intrinsic sameness of things is
boring, and magically creates goals, possibilities that call to be
realised, and that, when realised, will temporarily upset the 'balance',
whatever it was. The Dance.
>
> but your so called 'mystics' have found meditation does it also. Also
>exercise seems to help and mindless simple things like shaving...
>driving....
>This process helps with creativity also.
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> It appears that creativity can be accessed when one gets out of the
>critical, judgemental state of mind. This is referred to as "being in the
>space". This can be accomplished by remaining focused on "the point of
>concentration". The mindless activities, you mention, are ways of dropping
>the critical, judgemental state of mind.and leaving oneself open to the
>creative process.
>
Agreed, but that has nothing to do with ego loss per se. The Buddhists
distinguish between Shamatha, tranquility, lucidity, 'emptiness' in the
sense of silence, not much going on, on the one hand, and Vipashyana,
insight, 'getting it'. The thing about the mystical is that it isn't
just a state of relative calm and peacefulness or just plain absence of
being bothered by thoughts or the ego, it is literally *seeing through*
the ego, seeing it for what it is, actually grasping as a fact that it
is empty of intrinsic identity, identifiability or reality.
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Guru George
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