From: ard (rbrown@smb.sams.ch)
Date: Mon Apr 07 1997 - 17:34:05 MDT
>Of course you have no proof that humans
> are any different; most people I know have 'buttons' you can press (by
> doing or saying something) which will make them react in a predictable
and
> seemingly deterministic fashion.
"Most" ? Is this somewhere between 51 % and 99 %?
Can you be more exact?
What are those people who do not have "buttons" like?
Are they emotionless, comatose, non-productive entities?
>
> > When you boil all the bullshit out of it, is not ego simply the notion
of
> > being an individual?
>
> I'm not sure of the 'official' definition of the word, and few of the
> people I've asked seem to have any idea either.
ego: 1. the "I" or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and
willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from
objects of its thought.
2. (often cap.) Philos. a. the enduring and conscious element that knows
experience. b. Scholasticism...the complete man comprising both body and
soul.
3. Psychoanal. the part of the psychic apparatus that experiences and
reacts to the outside world and thus mediates between the primitive drives
of the id and the demands of the social and physical environment.
4. egoitsm, or self-importance.
5. self-esteem or self-image; feelings.
This was taken out of a direction-ary....you know, the book which gives
directions on the use of words?
To me ego is the
> difference between a person's perception of themselves and their real
> state. This is why it holds people back; you can't act sensibly if you
> don't know who you are.
Would you suggest that Socrates' admonition to "Know thyself." applies in
this modern age?
> > Is it possible for an individual to see their life the same way any
> > other individual sees their own life?
>
> Yes. It just takes effort to eliminate the ego nonsense and see yourself
> as you truly are.
What do you consider "ego nonsense"?
How would someone "know" they were seeing themselves as they "truly are?
How does seeing oneself as one truly is, help to see your life the same
way any other individual sees their own life?
> I think the biggest problem with reprogramming is that people first have
> to accept that they are programmed entities.
How were they programmed?
Were other entities involved?
They usually try to change the subject to avoid having to even consider
that
> they might be 'just' computers.
Do you think you are 'just' a computer?
Is this just another way of simplifying humans?
> Everyone has a self-activated joy-button connected to the "feels good"
> section of the brain. Most people just haven't worked out how to activate
> it yet except through interactions with other people ('love', etc). Again
> it's just a matter of programming.
Have you worked out how to activate it yet?
If you have, could you share the programming, or do you sell it?
Also, if you have, do you prefer to turn your own "joy button" on or do
you prefer having interactions with other people ('love', etc.) ?
>>Have you ever experienced 100% Bliss? Can people experience this
> > state at will? Can they go from Bliss to rationality at will?
> Close to 100%, maybe and yes. Utter bliss is fun, but it gets dull after
a
> while, at least for me.
Does not "utter" mean complete, total, absolute?
Do you know what 69% bliss is like?
Would 23% bliss be less boring for you?
How do you arrive at the percentage of bliss less than 100%?
Can you have a 46% orgasm?
> Regarding ego ( Ego) and bliss... the so called 'spiritual ( which I
beleive
> is just another part of our brain's inner working) bliss' of letting go
of
> the ego ( awareness of the separation between self and reality) is well
> known. An interesting topic. It seems to be hardwired into many humans.
Some
> religions claim that this is letting in "god".
> I think it is important in an evolutionary sense, regarding
consciousness.
"hardwired into many"....what studes have indicated this?
Why would some humans have this "hardwiring" and others not?
"claim that this is letting in "god".....What do the people who have these
experiences claim it is?
Are there any common themes reported by these people?
How is it important in an evolutionary sense, regarding consciousness?
ard
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