Re: Midpoint of history?

From: N.BOSTROM@lse.ac.uk
Date: Thu Nov 21 1996 - 01:34:54 MST


          Hal Finney summarised the Carter-Leslie Doomsday argument
          (about a week ago). He mentioned two problems he had with
          it:
          
          1) The reference class is not well-defined. -This objection
          I think that John Leslie has successfully answered in The
          End of the World. The idea is that you can choose any
          reference class you like. If you are interested in Homo
          Sapiens Sapiens, then you consider your relative position in
          that species; if you are interested in any form of
          intelligent life stemming from humans, then that is what you
          should look at when you define the alternative scenarios.
          (BTW, it is not correct to assume as I think Hal did that it
          would follow from the Doomsday argument that we should
          expect to live at a moment when there have been roughly as
          many humans before us as will come after us: the expectation
          value of f=time(population) need not be the anything like a
          maximum.)
          
          2) One explanation for why we are where we are would be that
          we are being simulated by posthumants who like to watch the
          critical part of their history aagain and again. -I don't
          think this is very plausible. First, I think it is naive to
          suppose that these guys would be very interested in watching
          the soap opera with you and me in the titel roles over and
          over again, complete with all the details of how we trim our
          finger nails or go to the toilet -for Godssake, what sort of
          idea do you have of these posthumans! Second, even if they
          did found some pleasure in this sick show, it would
          presumably be economical for them to have many posthumans
          watching the same simulation, wherefore they would still be
          in majority over us, and we are back again to the fact that
          needed explanation.
          
          I myself am busy trying to write a critique of the Doomsday
          argument, which, when it is finished, I would gladly supply
          to Hal and anyone else who might be interested.
          
          
          Nicholas Bostrom n.bostrom@lse.ac.uk
          



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