From: Sarah Marr (sarah.marr@dial.pipex.com)
Date: Thu Aug 15 1996 - 03:06:17 MDT
At 20:14 14/08/96 -0700, you wrote:
>At 06:27 PM 8/14/96 +0100, Sarah Marr wrote:
>>>
>>>Sarah: You raise a good point. However -- no, I am not defining S.O. on the
>>>basis of its desirability from an extropic point of view.
>>
>>Then how can you say: 'Spontaneously ordering processes can produce results
>that
>>themselves are inimical to spontaneous order.' Surely a spontaneously
>>ordering process will result in a spontaneous order, otherwise it wouldn't
>>be a spontaneously ordering process. Can you give me an example where this
>>isn't the case, with no intervening process which is not spontaneously
>ordering?
>
>Where I think you're going wrong here is in thinking that a spontaneously
>ordering process can only give rise to other spontaneously ordering
>processes. Why should that be the case? A process can give rise to effects
>that are not examples of that process. As an example: The market is a
>spontaneous order. It produces certain structures in the market, like
>corporations, that are not themselves spontaneously ordering processes.
>Corporations, typically, are designed orders. They are deliberately
>structured by human beings.
I've never said spontaneously ordering processes can only give rise to other
spontaneously ordering processes: what I _have_ said is that spontaneously
ordering processes can only give rise to spontaneous orders, by definition.
The deliberate structure of a corporation, whether or not that corporation
itself is formed by a spontaneously ordering process, is implemented by a
non-SO process. I certainly wouldn't disagree that a spontaneous order could
lose it's 'spontaneity' by intervening process: I think your reply is
anwering 'No' to my question 'Can you give me an example where this isn't
the case, with no intervening process which is not spontaneously ordering?'.
It isn't spontaneous ordering processes which 'produce results inimical to
spontaneous order', it's intervening non-SO processes which do that, as you
describe.
I don't think we're disagreeing about this, are we Max?
Sarah
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