Re: Darwinian extropy

From: N.BOSTROM@lse.ac.uk
Date: Fri Jan 04 1980 - 19:10:55 MST


          Dan Clemmensen has suggested that SIs don't colonise cosmos
          because of their high discount rate for future benefits. The
          discount rate would presumably be high because of the
          rapidity of their subjective time and the slowness of cosmic
          travels. The idea is interesting since, if right, it would
          help resolve the Fermi paradox.
          
          One reason why SIs could have a high discount rate would be
          if they had a bias towards the near future, just as we
          humans have. We tend to care more about an imminent pleasure
          than about a similar one we would sure to get in a billion
          years. Perhaps all SIs would be "irrational" in the same
          way?
          
          Another reason why an SI might discount the benefits of
          colonisation is because they would only come about if it
          diverted some of its resources to the space mission,
          resources which could have been used for other purposes.
          Suppose that the objective of the SI is to maximise the
          amount of valuable computations it will carry out during its
          life time. At a certain time t it has a given capital
          (consisting perhaps of its mass or available energy). Part
          of this capital could be invested into a project that would
          yield returns at t'>t, but meanwhile that capital could not
          be used to make valuable computations, i.e. there would be
          an opportunity cost which would have to be subtracted from
          the expected returns when considering whether the investment
          is worthwhile. The question is what the function
          f=valuablecomputationspower(capital) looks like. For
          Clemmensen's argument to go through, it would not suffice
          that f had a jerk at some point, because different SIs would
          presumably start out with somewhat different amounts of
          capital. If all SI had originally a capital less that the
          critical amount, then they would invest in space missions,
          but the benefit of space missions seems to come in chunks
          (one chunk for every planet or solar system one arrived at),
          and so there would be some overshoot: most SIs would obtain
          a capital greater than the critical value, and they would
          have little to lose from using the excess for new space
          missions. f would rather have to have the shape of an
          inverted exponential, so that for each amount of capital
          (greater than some start-up value), a slight loss of capital
          would reduce the computation power greatly, whereas a slight
          increase would bring but a negligible increase. Not only
          would the function have to be of an exponential character,
          the constants would have to be rather great, considering
          that the gains would be obtained after perhaps a thousand
          years and be enjoyed for perhaps billions of years, while
          the required investment would presumably be very small
          compared to the SI's total capital whereas the gains could
          be very substantial. For instance, if any considerable
          degree of parallelization of valuable computations were
          possible, then df/d(capital) would certainly not decrease
          rapidly enough.
          
          If Robin's objection, that not all knowledge can be obtained
          simply by sitting back and think (making computations), is
          directed against Clemmensen's basic idea rather than against
          some other more specific claim Clemmensen has made, then I
          don't think it carries very much weight, because there is no
          obvious reason why SIs should be interested in the detailed
          structure of distant cosmic regions. We must not forget that
          a mere suggestion for where the Great Filter could be, even
          if it falls short of being a proof, would be very helpful;
          in any case there seem to be much greater difficulties with
          Clemmensen's proposal than that it assumes that the
          curiosity of SIs is rather limited.
          
          Nicholas Bostrom n.bostrom@lse.ac.uk



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