From: gts (gts_2000@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Dec 07 2002 - 15:45:54 MST
--- "Rafal M. Smigrodzki" wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, gts wrote:
>> It appears to me that you and Hal are thinking of
>> abstract models of possible universes rather than
>> this *actual* universe in which we live.
>
> ### What is so *actual* about our universe?
It's the universe in which we live, actually, as
opposed to any alternate possible universes in which
we don't live and which we might conceive
mathematically.
> You don't think that the visible universe is all
> there is, do you?
Not at all. I do not doubt that it extends many light
years beyond that which is visible.
> ### I agree that because time itself is valid only
> in the context of the universe, the question about
> what caused the universe cannot be couched in
> temporal terms. What Hal and I say is (the way
> I see it) is to provide a conceptual framework for
> looking at the universe from an imaginary outside
> perspective, to gain a pleasant, aesthetic sense of
> understanding, no more.
I hope you are not looking *only* for a pleasant,
aesthetic sense of understanding. It's pleasant to
believe in the Tooth Fairy.
Please answer this question, similar to the one I put
to Lee:
What is the content of your imagination when you are
imagining this universe to be non-existent?
-gts
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