From: Eugen Leitl (eugen@leitl.org)
Date: Mon Nov 04 2002 - 10:16:28 MST
On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, gts wrote:
> Your idea that experience and the recording of memory come to a halt
> during sleep is one of the fallacies upon which your arguments are
> based. Unless we are in a hopeless comatose state after having suffered
> major brain-damage, our experience of life *never* stops until we die.
Nonsense. You'll get flat EEG after ~20-30 s of stopped blood flow. The
system resumes cleanly with no significant brain damage even without
medication. Some drugs, e.g. barbiturates are very useful to assist the
shutdown.
It is possible to shut down an animal (dog) for maximum 14 minutes, with
minimal resulting damage solely by postmedication and at normothermia. The
window is considerably expanded at hypothermia, possibly being in ~h
range, and multiple h with flushout and premedication (estimates, not
demonstrated).
> We are unconsciously aware of ourselves and our environments even during
> dreamless sleep.
>
> If this were not so then your alarm clock would not wake you up in the
> morning.
I notice people keep ignoring my suggestion to clarify identity on
evolution of discrete systems, as modeled by a SHRDLU world in a
conventional computer.
You will make no progress until you start with a simplified system first.
You will make no progress until you start with a simplified system first.
You will make no progress until you start with a simplified system first.
You will make no progress until you start with a simplified system first.
You will make no progress until you start with a simplified system first.
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