From: Eugen Leitl (eugen@leitl.org)
Date: Tue Oct 29 2002 - 15:39:46 MST
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Dickey, Michael F wrote:
> In Eugen's case mentioned above, even at 10 ms the, the atoms that
> make up your pattern were dissassembled and that pattern was imprinted
> to a new group of atoms. This is still not a subjective continuation
> of you, since if you were not destroyed, you and the copy would
> experience different things, and this if a far greater time scale than
> the plank length.
This is silly. There is no point in oversampling your system as the
you-process won't profit from extra precision. If I don't notice even a
flicker, save having time to think "I've bifurc..." that's most assuredly
a subjective continuation. If an absent tree doesn't fall in a nonexisting
forest, do we really give a damn whether we have a logging permit?
> Eugen and GTS, would you not prefer, given the conditions I have
> outlined, to instead have your conscioussness distributed in realtime
> amongst multiple entities? Just as I have outlined, if that vast
I don't know what this 'consciousness' thing is. I'm a process. A sequence
of pattern frames. Subjectively, it doesn't matter how many instances of
the same process they are. In reality I would prefer to have more
instances of me, because real processes can be terminated, and they have
the potential to bifurcate, thus creating more individuals (which I would
have to split my infrastructure with, though, so one shouldn't overdo it).
> majority of the things that make up your pattern were part of the same
> group that made it up the instant before, I believe it logical to
> consider it a continuation of you. Given that, one may replace ones
Huh?
> nuerons one at a time with silicon equivalents, over a length of time
> being uploaded AND maintaining subjective continuity. Once uploaded,
It's not silicion, but incremental in vivo uploading would give you
subjective identity. (So would discontinuous destructive upload, because
the you-process has been suspended).
> one could start spreading his computational parts to other groups of
> atoms, one small part at a time. If my consciousness were distributed
> amongst, say, 1 million equally powerfull computers, at any given time
> one of them only containing 1 millionth of my concioussness, then the
> loss of 1 would not amount to the loss of anymore than 1 millionth of
> myself.
If the process is identical, having multiple instances of it has only
purpose for extra redundancy in case of failures, or potential to create
raw material for a borganism.
> Instead of making continuous backups of yourself, store your
> concioussness amongst distributed systems, and then interact with the
I've already mentioned that synching distributed systems is nontrivial.
> world as a physical representation of yourself. That representation,
Multiple instances of yourself can't interact with the world unless you
fan out the I/O stream to a single robot.
> which is controlled by you and transits all sensory experience to you,
> would be the one tortured.
You completely lost me here. You cannot have multiple instances of one
process which are different. That's an oxymoron.
> To clarify, nothing I have outlined is incompatable with the common
> extropian themes of 'uploading' 'copying' and 'backups'. Except what
> I outline ensures is that you are indeed present from one moment to
> the next, instead of just a copy of you.
I wonder why I've broken my resolve to not participate in such threads.
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