From: John Grigg (starman2100@lycos.com)
Date: Tue Oct 22 2002 - 20:09:15 MDT
Charles Hixon wrote:
And the dirty secret of capitalism is that the people in charge make slaves of those on the bottom.
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Shhhhhh!!! I'm currently learning how this is successfully done to others! Please remember those people with some intelligence and ambition will have opportunities in a capitalistic society to move up, or at least move on to something else which they might do better at. I certainly realize health problems, advancing age, family responsibilities, etc., can make moving up the socio-economic ladder very hard. The social/financial "caste system" in Arizona seems much more defined and hardened than the one in Alaska. Only in Louisiana did I see worse.
Ron h. wrote:
I am well aware there are possibly hundreds of rabbit paths in this briar patch of a discussion we are having but my chief concern is any contention that socialism is a respectable political theory. Two hundred years of history has shown over and over that socialism is not respectable.
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Would the Scandinavian countries or France be considered shining examples of socialism at work? LOL! Do any of you think socialism will be greatly reinvigorated by the future development of mature nanotechnology? If nanotech can't get socialist theory to work, than nothing can!
Mike Lorrey wrote:
Similarly, it has been found that one group of apes has used the same two rocks for generations to pound nuts open (i.e. means of production) and that a) individuals do not open nuts for others for free, and b) the group treats this means of production as it's private property, and not that of their species in general. They object very strongly when other apes trespass and go near their pounding rocks. Sounds like a natural form of private property.
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Mike, did you hear how researchers later discovered a group of apes which came along and "for the good of all apes everywhere" seized the two rocks and made them public property?? Of course this involved the alpha ape(first among alphas) having "total stewardship" over the rocks for the good of the tribe. We can just imagine how the apes fell into a pattern of severe apathy and were soon totally outperformed by the neighboring ape groups which had not fallen into this faulty way of doing things. ; )
best wishes,
John
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