From: mlorrey@datamann.com
Date: Tue Oct 22 2002 - 13:39:54 MDT
From: "Mike Lorrey" <mlorrey@datamann.com>
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[quote from: Charles on 2002-10-22 at 10:13:46]
Lee Daniel Crocker wrote:
>>(Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@earthlink.net>):
>>Private property and \"the state\" both existed before the idea of
>>capitalism did. They have clear pre-human antecedants...
>>Capitalism is probably a human invention. I'm not even sure how it could
>>be defined so that we could look around for non-human analogs.
>>
>
>Bonobos will trade sexual favors for food. Sounds like capitalism
>to me.
It might be. In that case so is a preying mantis trading possible
suicide for sex. I don't have a definition of capitalism that is
precise enough for me to tell.
Similarly, it has been found that one group of apes has used the same two
rocks for generations to pound nuts open (i.e. means of production) and that
a) individuals do not open nuts for others for free, and b) the group treats
this means of production as it's private property, and not that of their
species in general. They object very strongly when other apes trespass and go
near their pounding rocks. Sounds like a natural form of private property.
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