From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Oct 14 2002 - 15:50:58 MDT
--- "Ross A. Finlayson" <extropy@apexinternetsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2002, at 08:08 PM, spike66 wrote:
>
> > Mike Lorrey wrote:
> >
> >>> Energy should come out in ft-lbs, and one foot-pound apparently
> >>> is 1.356 joules (I looked it up---my failure to work this out
> >>> from first principles is humiliating). So if you are correct,
> >>> then this translates to 1.07 x 10^13 joules, no?
> >> I misstated the units, which should be ft-lbs^2/sec^2. Foot-lbs
> are a
> >> measure of torque, with no time component.
> >
> > Foot pounds can be a unit of energy too, since it is
> > a force times a distance. But do spare us the archaic
> > units, all of you, and state energy in terms of joules,
> > or newton meters.
> >
> > spike
> >
> >
>
> That energy isn't converted to heat. Steel mills used to have to use
>
> forced oxygen burning coke to get enough heat to melt steel, a blast
> furnace. The WTC floors were separated from each other. Jet fuel
> burns
> at about 600 or 700 degrees Fahrenheit, about 350 C, steel melts at
> around 2700 degrees Fahrenheit, about 1500 C, 1773 Kelvins. It is
> obvious that some sources claim the jet fuel melted the steel
> supports, others don't.
Keep in mind that it was not only steel providing structural support.
The structure also involved the use of pre-stressed concrete.
Temperatures such as you cite would quite readily decompose the
concrete polymer back into quicklime, thus destroying any structural
support it provided.
>
> Firefighters and policeman there that day reported multiple
> explosions.
> A bunch of them in the buildings with the smoldering remains of fires
> died when the buildings fell on them.
Yes, and there were many vehicles in underground parking, as well as
gas lines ruptured, filling collapsed spaces with gasses that were
heated and erupted explosively when exposed to the air.
>
> Pilots got together and said the pilots were definite experts. One
> plane hit a tower in the center, the other plane hit the edge of the
> other tower. The main structural supports were in the center. The
> second tower hit fell first, where most of the jet fuel exploded
> outside that one.
Incorrect. The structure of the towers were primarily in the many
vertical members seen in the outer facade, which you'd have known if
you'd seen any of the many documentaries on the construction of the
towers broadcast in the last year (esp on the History and Discovery
channels).
Thus, the impact of the airliners damaged much of the structural
supports, and the resulting fire weakened those remaining. Once that
single collapse occured, the impact on lower floors exceeded their
standard load capacity.
>
> Watch the video of a tower falling, see the floors pulverize before
> the
> roof falls in near free-fall. Compare the video to a building being
> demolished, it looks very much the same. The building is heavy, it
> is inclined by gravity to go down and not left or right.
A building is inclined by gravity to do so under any circumstances. If
you look at an intentionally imploded building with the WTC, you'd see
that WTC wreckage was spread over several blocks from the actual
footprint of the towers, while intentionally imploded buildings will
collapse all material into their own basements whilst leaving
neighboring buildings untouched.
>
> It was blamed on bin Laden well before the alleged hijacker's
> passports
> were "found" at the Pentagon and down the street from the WTC,
> they're apparently tougher than flight data recorders.
The hijackers were identified by security video camera footage, not by
passports. The passports merely confirmed identities already surmised.
FLight data recorders are in the tail of the aircraft, and so would
remain in the building to be crushed and torched. The passports were on
the persons of the hijackers, which being in the cockpits and first
class areas, were ejected through the buildings to the sides opposite
the impact points, thus the passports escaped the fires. In fact, we
have nine of the hijackers bodies in storage right now, with no idea of
what to do with them, as their home countries and families have not
claimed them, partly because they don't want to publicly admit that the
events were actually caused by their own people and not by Jews under
Mossad orders, as is popularly believed and propagandized in the muslim
world and by dupable fools in the west.
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