From: Harvey Newstrom (mail@HarveyNewstrom.com)
Date: Tue Sep 17 2002 - 16:53:39 MDT
Rafal Smigrodzki wrote on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:35 pm,
> It's nice you mention your superior qualifications in this subject. I know
> of course you are not trying to use "some graduate work" as an independent
argument.
No. I was just correcting your mistaken assumption that we are both
amateurs with no experience in this field.
> > Why do we need to establish a list of pre-approved "authorities"? If
> > you have any scientific reviews of The Bell Curve that support it,
> > just post it!
>
> ### First let's progress in an orderly fashion through the basic claims of
> modern psychometrics, which you so far dismissed. Once we agree on the
> basics, we can handle the Bell Curve.
I have no interest in these games. If you have evidence, just post it. Why
do I need to go through a series of negotiations and agreements first?
> >>> The American Psychological Association denounced the book by
> >>> concluding "The scientific basis of The Bell Curve is fraudulent."
> >>
> >> ### Am I to infer that the above statement is an actual quote from an
> >> official APA policy statement? Please be so kind and provide a link.
> >
> > No. Why would you infer that? I clearly gave the reference for this
> > as coming from The Bell Curve FAQ at
> > <http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/L-bellcurvescience.htm>.
>
> ### Ah, so you didn't read the APA report.
DAMN IT! THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID! THIS IS THE THIRD TIME YOU ACCUSED ME OF
NOT READING REPORTS THAT I HAVE READ! PLEASE STOP IT!
> ### You insist on calling advocacy sites you quoted as
> "scientific studies".
No, I don't. But they contain summaries of what the studies said. You
yourself gave an abstract of your study below instead of the actual study.
Why am I being held to a different standard than you? Why don't you just go
look up the original studies if you want?
> The above quotes indicate that intelligence as measured by IQ tests does
> predict scholastic achievement (grades), job success (patents, awards,
> obtaining PhD-level education).
>
> Do you still think that "IQ doesn't predict anything"?
??? You are changing the subject. Yes, I personally believe that IQ
doesn't predict scholastic performance. IQ is required for performance, but
does not guarantee it.
But this is not the evidence we were discussing. I am interested in the
claim that The Bell Curve was universally accepted by scientists. I showed
references to books, studies, reviews and examinations that claim it was
bogus science. I am still awaiting any similar reports that concluded it
was good science. I am not going to participate any of these side
discussions.
If you have this evidence, post it. I'm getting tired of continuing this
argument just in hopes that any of the promised evidence will eventually
show up.
-- Harvey Newstrom, CISSP <www.HarveyNewstrom.com> Principal Security Consultant <www.Newstaff.com>
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