From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Aug 20 2002 - 19:28:41 MDT
--- Lee Corbin <lcorbin@tsoft.com> wrote:
> Mike writes:
>> Lee Wrote:
> > > On the other sides appear to be those such as Brian, Mike Wiik,
> > > and Alex who probably (it seems) think that either everything
> > > is an experiment, more or less, or who advocate techniques of
> > > provocation.
> >
> > "All art is propaganda", as some leftie once said. Similarly, all
> > debate is thought experiment, merely executed by committee.
>
> While that proverbial leftist clearly had his head up his ass,
> your statement is less wrong, and shouldn't be conflated with
> the former.
As an artist myself, I can say that any artist who creates something
that either communicates the artist's ideas to the viewer, or causes
the viewer to elicit said ideas by the stimulation of the art upon the
senses, is creating propaganda. Whether that propaganda is information
or disinformation is another debate entirely.
>
> But I really don't know what you're trying to say here; I don't
> see *argument* itself as thought-experiment, for example. Yes,
> when one is thinking about something, there are elements present
> which might rightly be described as "simulating" events and
> processes; and that, I suppose might be a form of thought-experiment.
> But it's quite a stretch.
Not really. When you conduct a thought experiment in your own mind, you
are most effective when you 'play both sides of the game board',
advocate and disadvocate. A debate between two persons is simply
sharing the load with someone else. You don't necessarily HAVE to
believe in the side you are arguing. You may argue that side in such a
way as to convince others of the reverse position (as satire does).
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